Osborne loses his nerve in the face of Union solidarity

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

whys that cause i think u dont deserve your pension?

No. Because you write like a child.

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

Well done. Have a gold star, and choose a new crayon from the stationary cupboard.

so in effect its non contributary

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

No. Because you write like a child.

sorry didnt realise it was an english lesson . sad

RJP33

discoass wrote: »

what happens when these public sector jobs ie teachers/nurses/police become unatrractive because theres no extra incentive to do them,we`ll just ship them in from abroad and have to pay double just to fill the posts ,that`ll work :P

Please, there's plenty of young people who'd just at the chance to have these jobs, probably at half the wages.

The public sector pensions have never been sustainable and it's only the current crisis thats brought it to a head.

ruggedtoast

Road_Hog wrote: »

This is the problem with public sector workers, they don't live in the real world.

Wake up chum, what do you think has been happening to company pensions since Gordon Brown's £5 bn a year tax raid?

That's right, they've been closed to new entrants/employees, they've been changed from defined benefit to defined contribution, the retirement age has gone up and so has the employee contribution amount.

Yes, we in the private sector have been hit hard and there is nothing we can do about, if we were to strike, we'd be sacked. So get used to it and start taking the medicine we've had to have for the last 15 years. Your pension is unfunded and I as a taxpayer don't want to be picking up the tab, go back and ask Gordon Brown why he didn't take action when he became Chancellor and why in the boom years he didn't put some money away instead of spending it all.

Well why don't you go and form a union then and take some direct action? Rather than just moaning endlessly on message boards.

You seem to think because life is unfair for you it has to be for everyone.

You aren't going to get anything handed to you, you need to get off your bum and fight for it.

Public sector workers support their unions because their unions fight and lobby government for the benefit of their members, and when there is no other choice they take direct action, even if it involves sacrificing pay to do so. Strangely enough that is why union workers have benefits.

I am sorry but I have limited sympathy for sausage roll toasting numpties, working the lines, spending all their disposable on prune juice and then complaining they don't have a good package.

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

so in effect its non contributary

Which bit do you struggle with?

You can be paid and then a percentage is removed to contribute towards a pension......

or...

Your pay can be reduced before you get it to contribute towards a pension....

Either way, it's virtually the same thing, but I'm sure you will find something to moan about.

julieq

discoass wrote: »

oh i see,from that statement you think i work in the public sector.
which real world would this be then ? the one I`m in ..I have a decent pension pay 11% ,final salary . but i dont begrudge my daughters teacher her midwife (when she was born) or any other public sector worker that she may or not come across because I dont get what they get :P

Neither do I, but they should be prepared to pay more themselves, the same as private sector employees do.

I doubt you've read the proposals, and I doubt very much if you did that you understand them. They provide a great deal, accrued benefits are preserved, and the only real issue is that some people might leave the schemes because the impact of increased contributions on budgeting. The aim is to maintain the level of public payments on public sector pension at the level of around £22B per year in real terms, which is more than the cost of the police and court system combined (and more than the total accrued costs of the bank bailout over the same period).

And obviously if the incentive to work in the public sector no longer exists, anyone is free to look elsewhere. They're not going to find a better deal anywhere.

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

Which bit do you struggle with?

You can be paid and then a percentage is removed to contribute towards a pension......

or...

Your pay can be reduced before you get it to contribute towards a pension....

Either way, it's virtually the same thing, but I'm sure you will find something to moan about.

no its not ..you get x amount ,normal people get x amount -pension contributions ,you get x amount + pension contributions.

therefore giving you your pension free of contributions because you never see it on your payslip

wotsthat

tartanterra wrote: »

It applies to everyone after 2005.

At the changeover, all serving personnel were given the option to change over to the new scheme. (not many did).

Anyone re-joining after the scheme inception who had previously been under AFPS 75 had to re-join under AFPS 05.

That's going to take some years to work through. I don't blame serving personnel for not changing over.

My son's just joined the army. His uncle (a captain) and me have both told him you can receive a half pension after 12 years. Luckily I don't think a pension was top of his priority list - that place was reserved for an iPhone.

discoass

julieq wrote: »

Neither do I, but they should be prepared to pay more themselves, the same as private sector employees do.

I doubt you've read the proposals, and I doubt very much if you did that you understand them. They provide a great deal, accrued benefits are preserved, and the only real issue is that some people might leave the schemes because the impact of increased contributions on budgeting. The aim is to maintain the level of public payments on public sector pension at the level of around £22B per year in real terms, which is more than the cost of the police and court system combined (and more than the total accrued costs of the bank bailout over the same period).

And obviously if the incentive to work in the public sector no longer exists, anyone is free to look elsewhere. They're not going to find a better deal anywhere.

I`m just fed up with hearing people slate the public sector .
private wouldnt exist without them and vice versa
so pitting one set of workers against the other isnt very useful .