Osborne loses his nerve in the face of Union solidarity

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

no its not ..you get x amount ,normal people get x amount -pension contributions ,you get x amount + pension contributions.

therefore giving you your pension free of contributions because you never see it on your payslip

Whatever. Just for you, as it's Christmas, we'll forget that military pay is recommended by the AFPRB, then reduced by a figure, again set by the AFPRB to take account of the pension.

So there you go, you win; have another gold star and another new crayon.

Enjoy the school holidays and I hope you're not missing all your friends at playtime.

Happy Christmas.:snow_grin

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

Whatever. Just for you, as it's Christmas, we'll forget that military pay is recommended by the AFPRB, then reduced by a figure, again set by the AFPRB to take account of the pension.

So there you go, you win; have another gold star and another new crayon.

Enjoy the school holidays and I hope you're not missing all your friends at playtime.

Happy Christmas.:snow_grin

And all military salaries are advertised without ,which as i said previously is still a good if not excellent deal.

Ps you seem to be struggling adjusting to civvy life ,trying to use condesending bully tactics in the "real world" doesnt wash as much without the protection of rank :P

julieq

discoass wrote: »

I`m just fed up with hearing people slate the public sector .
private wouldnt exist without them and vice versa
so pitting one set of workers against the other isnt very useful .

Who is slating the public sector? You're just making things up because you're too lazy actually to understand how good the offer is and you prefer to hide behind silly platitudes.

What the hell is wrong with the public sector workers paying for their own pensions to a slightly increased point, given they still end up with a £22B direct payment in real terms EVERY YEAR from the private sector and a better pension deal than private sector workers get?

If your argument is that the public sector employees will all disappear off and find better deals elsewhere if anyone dares to increase their own provision for their own retirement so that other in the workforce aren't squeezed themselves, then honestly they should just get on and do it, because there's a queue a mile long for every single one of their jobs. There are very very few places outside the public sector where new employees would qualify for a defined benefit scheme.

tartanterra

wotsthat wrote: »

That's going to take some years to work through. I don't blame serving personnel for not changing over.

My son's just joined the army. His uncle (a captain) and me have both told him you can receive a half pension after 12 years. Luckily I don't think a pension was top of his priority list - that place was reserved for an iPhone.

I think it will work through quite quickly due to the high turnover rates in the forces.

Incidentally, it's never been possible to get an immediate pension after 12 years. You can get a preserved pension after competing 2 years based on how long you served.

Well done to your lad, and on Christmas day my thoughts will be with all those still serving.

RJP33

£22bn, just wow, how many key departments is that more funding than? And yet the deal still isn't good enough apparently and they wonder why people don't support them.

discoass

julieq wrote: »

Who is slating the public sector? You're just making things up because you're too lazy actually to understand how good the offer is and you prefer to hide behind silly platitudes.

What the hell is wrong with the public sector workers paying for their own pensions to a slightly increased point, given they still end up with a £22B direct payment in real terms EVERY YEAR from the private sector and a better pension deal than private sector workers get?

If your argument is that the public sector employees will all disappear off and find better deals elsewhere if anyone dares to increase their own provision for their own retirement so that other in the workforce aren't squeezed themselves, then honestly they should just get on and do it, because there's a queue a mile long for every single one of their jobs. There are very very few places outside the public sector where new employees would qualify for a defined benefit scheme.

The whole thread is dedicated to slagging off public sector .
I dont mind them paying extra if it goes into their "pot" but its not is it

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

And all military salaries are advertised without ,which as i said previously is still a good if not excellent deal.

Ps you seem to be struggling adjusting to civvy life ,trying to use condesending bully tactics in the "real world" doesnt wash as much without the protection of rank :P

For gods sake, grow up.

I'm not being condescending. It's just that you're not very bright, so it's easy for me to make you look stupid.

I'll tell you what, I'll ignore your posts as you are clearly struggling to cope.

Can't say fairer than that, can I?:D

discoass

tartanterra wrote: »

For gods sake, grow up.

I'm not being condescending. It's just that you're not very bright, so it's easy for me to make you look stupid.

I'll tell you what, I'll ignore your posts as you are clearly struggling to cope.

Can't say fairer than that, can I?:D

ok then how much pension contribution (% wise) did u contribute.

tartanterra

discoass wrote: »

ok then how much pension contribution (% wise) did u contribute.

Speaking to me again? I'm honoured.

For the record, when I joined the abatement of pay was 13%. By the time I left, the AFPRB had reduced it to down to 7% due to the fact that the "buying power" of the pension had decreased, and to bring us more in line with what other public servants were contributing.

ILW

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You aren't going to get anything handed to you, you need to get off your bum and fight for it.

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Good definition of fighting - taking a day off work.

It appears there is a whole different world out there which is totally alien to me.