CSA1 or CSA2

kevin137

I wonder what peoples thoughts are on the CSA failing to move people over from CSA1 to CSA2.

And how many people actually think they are hard done by and have been overpaying substantially...!!!

So what i am asking for is what you currently pay on CSA1 and what you would be paying on CSA2...

I ask for this, because i have been speaking to a solicitor today about other things to do with the CSA and a case i have, and he was curious as to just how much the difference is, he seemed to think that there would in fact be a case against the CSA of Gross Misconduct leading to a fraudulent deduction in income. I have no idea as to how this would work, but he thinks that it could be possible to take them on and win, and if that happens, then it could open the flood gates for a lot more people to claim back serious overpayments from the CSA. In turn this could effect the transition into CSA 3 and how they actually deal with any future cases...

So please just post as follows

CSA 1 £*** CSA 2 £*** est

jarhead66

I am on CSA1 and i pay £106 aweek (£5512 a year, I earn aprox £27000) for my son who is 16. If i was on CSA2 i would be paying about £60 aweek (£3120 a year)
So going by those figures on CSA1 i have more chance of hitting the moon with a stone than moving schemes as there is no way my ex who is getting all her benefits, rent payed, council tax payed will want to move onto a fairer scheme for me, and get less money. i know that i will have to pay until my son is 19, the figures for CSA1 will go up big style if my girlfriend moves in, hence we are beeter off having two seperate houses dispite waht the CSA say.
as far as i know someone did try taking the CSA to the court of human rights but lost as the court found the case in the CSA's favour.

Marisco

In the mid 90's my oh was paying £474 pm on a monthly wage of £900 (in the hand) We got our MP involved (after a nice lad at the CSA telling us!!! No MSE around then!!) and it went down to £375. If it was on CSA 2 it would have been £180 pm. I wouldn't look for a job at the time, as they'd have taken my wage into account, and we were already paying through the nose!!! CSA1 is a scandal and should be scrapped now!!! One good thing folks, it will end, (although it doesn't seem like it at the time!!) and the feeling of that millstone off your back is fantastic!!:)

buttercup73

Kevin, didn't you leave the country? Shouldn't your case be closed?

LovesDennys

buttercup73 wrote: »

Kevin, didn't you leave the country? Shouldn't your case be closed?

The CSA can keep a case open even after the NRP goes abroad.

buttercup73

LovesDennys wrote: »

The CSA can keep a case open even after the NRP goes abroad.

From what I understood they lose all jurisdiction to make new assessments though?

LovesDennys

buttercup73 wrote: »

From what I understood they lose all jurisdiction to make new assessments though? Isn't that what the REMO thread on here is about?

The do lose jurisdiction, but the CSA doesnt have to close a case just because NRP goes abroad.

REMO is not followed by Muslim countries because the Child Support Act 1991 contradicts Sharia Law. Many EU nations from April 2010 throw out REMO claims where the claimant PWC is on UK benefits. This is because she already get financial support from the state and REMO awards payments on actual needs of the child rather than the UK policy of placing a % levy on the NRPs income.

kevin137

buttercup73 wrote: »

Kevin, didn't you leave the country? Shouldn't your case be closed?

Yes i did, and my case was notified as closed from the 20th April, but they only notified me on the 10th November. AFTER they applied to court for an LO using my previous address...!

LovesDennys wrote: »

The do lose jurisdiction, but the CSA doesnt have to close a case just because NRP goes abroad.

But they do have to change it for a change in circumstances where by the NRP no longer has an income in the UK.

I lived abroad for 3 years prior to moving full time, and commuted to work in the UK where i was paid, and that is why they had jurisdiction, after leaving my employment in the UK i was obliged to notify of a change of circumstances and then they had to close my case, but they are very devious about how they approach the matter and what they do in the meantime...!

LovesDennys

The Change of Circs doesnt actually close a case.

Im my case, I had two restaurants in California, about 15 mins from each other, I had no UK income so the assessment was NIL but it never actually closed. I asked for be moved to CS2 but the CSA would not do it, so I postponed opening a restaurant in the UK until CS1 finished.

Restaurants have very high startup costs and they are a labour of love in their first few years of operation before they return a profit. It placed me at risk from the CSA by just bringing the startup capital into the UK because that can also be charged by the CSA by drawing a veil over the Ltd Company.

I didnt need to notify change of circumstances, only a change of address, but that never changes anyway.

As far as commuting to the UK, the CSA still has jurisdiction because your employer would be targetted regardless where you lived. To close a case on going abroad, you need to tell the CSA you are going abroad permanently. To force a change of circumstancs, because say, the CSA is charging more than it should, then signing on stops an assessment. You can do that online right now. That gives you time to get re-assessed on your actual income, not what the CSA is pretending you have.

buttercup73

kevin137 wrote: »

but they are very devious about how they approach the matter and what they do in the meantime...!

Very devious indeed!

kevin137

buttercup73 wrote: »

Very devious indeed. My acquaintance notified them that he left this country by sending them a new address but then they just sent letters to a previous known address of a family member instead!

This is one of the reasons i am looking at legal action against them, when i applied for my file under the data protection act, they had to send by courier to Norway, when they wrote to me, they wrote to both addresses, all my post was sent recorded from Norway, and most post i received in Norway, until they wanted the LO then they used the UK address, claiming i had not notified them of the change... Ermmm the 30 items of post you received from the, the 7 complaints about using an old UK address, and a receipt for courier charges to Norway, and you think i still live in the UK... Yeh right...!