CSA1 or CSA2

Kimitatsu

buttercup73 wrote: »

There are cases that got "stuck" on the computer system on CSA1 that then went to manual administration. The converting to CSA2 is done by case workers' grace who say they will never put it to the new rules. How can leaving it to the whim of a case worker be legal? Frankly I don't believe one bit they will shut these cases to upgrade to CSA3 either.

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Nope thats not how it worked either! We were on CS1 - we have JUST finished :j:j the case went manual but has NEVER been transferred over as the computer couldnt cope. So for the last 11 years we have paid double what we would have done on CS2. Just to make you weep I worked out the other day that including the share of the house we have paid £140k over 10 years for the upbringing of two children, and the CSA cannot enforce £5 a week from my ex husband............

Now MY case was closed against my ex in 2001 in a "paper clearing" excercise, and it was only after months of chasing that in 2003 I was told that it had actually been closed and I would have to open a new case under CS2 - erroneous advice it turns out, but then again my case is littered with it so no suprise there.

buttercup73

Congrats on getting rid of the trainwreck Kimitatsu!

Though that particular quote doesn't relate to my personal dealings with the CSA as I closed my CSA1 case and am in a (mutually) comfortable private arrangement with my ex now.

Where previously the CSA case worker had said that if arrears were cleared the case would be put to CSA2 they now said they would have to put it under the new rules themselves and that they never would.

Obviously that's just hear-say of 1 case worker and probably can't hold up against anything.

jarhead66

One thing about CSA1 is that no one in the CSA will ever admit that it is a bad scheme.
If it was that good then why did they introduce CSA2 and now CSA3??
How can the CSA run three schemes at the same time why not close the CSA1 at the same time as they introduce CSA3? (it cost the tax payer 40p for every £ collected) As they have known about the new scheme since the henshaw report in 2008 they should be up and running waiting for a start date.
I don't believe all this tosh about product testing it should have all being sorted by now!!
The CSA need to keep us on CSA1 so that it looks good when they release the figures every year on how much maintenance they have collected if it wasn't for us on CSA1 paying so much over then the amount would be alot lower
On the green paper released in January 2011 why did it state that the average CSA payment was £34 aweek, where did they get such information from? That means anyone who has had no dealings with the wonderful CSA will wonder what all the fuss is about with the NRP's??

millican

Could someone please explain to me how CS2 is better than CS1 for a NRP?

I'm trying to get my head around it as I will be transferred from a CS1 to CS2 but with a CS2 my rent is not taken into account which to my mind makes me think that I am financially better off on CS1 than CS2 where it's not taken into account? Wages are £25,000 and I pay for one child by ex-partner and have no children by anyone else.

Thanks

jarhead66

How did you manage to get a transfer to CSA2? For me i would be better off on CSA2 as my housing costs are very low so the CSA think that i can afford to pay more, At present i pay 30% of my wage for my son but if i was on CSA2 it would be 15%, also my girlfriend would be able to move in with me.
Did your ex close your case for 12 weeks and open another new case to get more money?? If not maybe the CSA are trying to get more money from the N.R.P's to make there figures look good??

kelloggs36

kevin137 wrote: »

I wonder what peoples thoughts are on the CSA failing to move people over from CSA1 to CSA2.

And how many people actually think they are hard done by and have been overpaying substantially...!!!
Many PWCs would feel hard done by under CS1 as there were lots and lots of nil assessments due to the NRP housing costs.
So what i am asking for is what you currently pay on CSA1 and what you would be paying on CSA2...

I ask for this, because i have been speaking to a solicitor today about other things to do with the CSA and a case i have, and he was curious as to just how much the difference is, he seemed to think that there would in fact be a case against the CSA of Gross Misconduct leading to a fraudulent deduction in income. it has already been investigated and passed so I doubt it would be worth his while - there are winners and losers on both sides, not all NRPs paid more under CS1 and they would argue that their case was beneficial to them!I have no idea as to how this would work, but he thinks that it could be possible to take them on and win, and if that happens, then it could open the flood gates for a lot more people to claim back serious overpayments from the CSA. In turn this could effect the transition into CSA 3 and how they actually deal with any future cases...

So please just post as follows

CSA 1 £*** CSA 2 £*** est

Just wondered then if it would allow for the UNDERPAYMENTS for those paying less under CS1? Just curious.

jarhead66

My figures for c.s.a.1 are £106 aweek, if the c.s.a. Had put me on c.s.a.2 as they told me in 2006 i would now be paying £60 aweek on csa3 it will be about £64 aweek

c.s.a.1 = £106

c.s.a.2 = £60

c.s.a.3 = £64

note:- as i am stuck on c.s.a.1 if my girlfriend moves in my payments will go up as my household income would go up!!!

pd001

jarhead66 wrote: »

note:- as i am stuck on c.s.a.1 if my girlfriend moves in my payments will go up as my household income would go up!!!

Fact......Your girlfriend doesnt have to disclose her income if she doesnt want to, although not declaring her income could, and thats only could, adversley affect your payments.

Kelloggs, and others on this board, know more about this than I do.

Marisco

I remember having an argument with the CSA about this! They kept insisting that my income would not be taken into account, and I said it would! (I wasn't working at the time, because of this!) They do it in a roundabout way, they assume that a working partner will be paying half the bills, leaving the NRP more disposable income to take payments from. So if your rent is say, £400 pm the partner will be assumed to be paying £200 of it, that leaves the NRP more income to grab from!! Now whichever way you cut it, to me that means the NRPP's income IS counted!!! That is another reason CSA 2 is way better!!

jarhead66

I too had a conversation about my girlfriend moving in, I was told by the CSA that my protected income would go up to that of a married couple on income support, plus my morgate payments ( aprox £650 all in) And because my girlfriend would be moving my household income would go up, so my CSA payments would go up, but they would not tell me how much my CSA payments would go up by until after my girlfriend has moved in.
Its a pain being one of DAVID CAMERON'S dead beat dads who should be outcast from society, just for paying maintenance not seeing your kids because of laws passed by the conservative party in 1991 ( child support act?)

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