FTSE100 doing well... considering double dip on way?

lisyloo

Some people of that age are extremely fit and capable. Others who are less lucky and judged not to be capable would (presumably) be retired early on medical grounds.

This is absolutely correct.
Ideologically I have no issue with working longer, afterall we are all living longer, but when I look at my parents, aunts, uncles etc. then most of them are not fit for full time work.
I come from a family that I regard as generally healthy with good longevity (all my grandparents have been in their 80s when they died).
So I have serious concerns about putting up the age.

However if I'm right and a significant proportion of us can't work full time at 67, then we need to get our head round the expense of that.

Blacklight

MrRee wrote: »

Teachers also get two payrises a year .... one on their anniversary and another annual rise .... they get additional payments, called TLR payments for such things as looking after the bikeshed or noticeboard (these TLR payments are worth up tp £13,000 each).

They do very, very well for themselves.

You didn't mention that they only work for 60% of the year and get the other 40% of the time off on holiday.

I have zero sympathy. One of the problems with teachers is that they've never been out of school, ever. They need to get in the real world.

jem16

Blacklight wrote: »

You didn't mention that they only work for 60% of the year and get the other 40% of the time off on holiday.

Point me in the direction of the school that has 40% off for holidays please. My holidays only amount to 23%, a lot of which I spend preparing for the time I am at work.

I have zero sympathy. One of the problems with teachers is that they've never been out of school, ever. They need to get in the real world.

As you presumably have never tried teaching, you really wouldn't know what it involves.

leveller2911

jem16 wrote: »

Point me in the direction of the school that has 40% off for holidays please. My holidays only amount to 23%, a lot of which I spend preparing for the time I am at work.



As you presumably have never tried teaching, you really wouldn't know what it involves.

All of our local schools have 13 weeks holiday each year not including 5 inset days.I understand inset days are for teacher training but are you seriously suggesting out of the 13 weeks of holidays the teachers are in fact working for 9 of those weeks?..

Just to add my SIL is a head teacher in Lincolnshire and during the summer holidays which are for 6 weeks she has 5 weeks off for a holiday and works the final week before the term begins .

I think most of the private sector get about 28 days a year or 4 weeks and Bank Holidays so there is no comparison.

chucknorris

jem16 wrote: »

Point me in the direction of the school that has 40% off for holidays please. My holidays only amount to 23%, a lot of which I spend preparing for the time I am at work.



As you presumably have never tried teaching, you really wouldn't know what it involves.

Are you suggesting that you actually prepare for a lecture rather than merely wandering into the lecture theatre/classroom without giving a moments thought about what you are about to say and do for the duration of the lecture? I find this absolutely astonishing!

Next you'll be suggesting that the student's coursework and exam papers are not self marking.

Rotor

Here's my post from the time of the june strike. It caused some consternation from some sections. Still seems a reasonable synopsis to me. ( I have since read that average teacher salary is nearer £35000 making total renumeration about £60,000 full time equivalent http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7372058.stm)


And another thing : teachers
Striking because they should'nt have their conditions reduced!
A salary of 30,000 a year, 35% contibution to their pension ( listen here to an actuary )http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010r7c2#synopsis
That comes to £40500 for a part time role ( 38 weeks a year) divide by 38 and times by 48(weeks per year most fulltimers work) and you arrive at TOTAL RENUMERATION = £51158
YEA THEY'RE REALLY HARD DONE BY.

Blacklight

Rotor wrote: »

Here's my post from the time of the june strike. It caused some consternation from some sections. Still seems a reasonable synopsis to me. ( I have since read that average teacher salary is nearer £35000 making total renumeration about £60,000 full time equivalent http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7372058.stm)


And another thing : teachers
Striking because they should'nt have their conditions reduced!
A salary of 30,000 a year, 35% contibution to their pension ( listen here to an actuary )http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010r7c2#synopsis
That comes to £40500 for a part time role ( 38 weeks a year) divide by 38 and times by 48(weeks per year most fulltimers work) and you arrive at TOTAL RENUMERATION = £51158
YEA THEY'RE REALLY HARD DONE BY.

Factor in also that you have no chance whatsoever of redundancy unlike millions of private sector workers constantly in fear of being out of work with no union to wipe your nose for you.

Stress free, 60k a year and a gold plated pension. My heart bleeds. Clearly low paid private workers should be taxed harder to pay for the pension pot of teachers that retire at 55.

Real world... get in it.

jem16

leveller2911 wrote: »

All of our local schools have 13 weeks holiday each year not including 5 inset days.I understand inset days are for teacher training but are you seriously suggesting out of the 13 weeks of holidays the teachers are in fact working for 9 of those weeks?..

13 weeks holiday out of 52 weeks in a year is 25%. So going on those figures that would mean 75% work and 25% holiday as opposed to the poster who claimed it was 60% and 40%.

In Scotland we have 12 weeks holiday out of 52 weeks so 23%.

Just to add my SIL is a head teacher in Lincolnshire and during the summer holidays which are for 6 weeks she has 5 weeks off for a holiday and works the final week before the term begins .

What about the other 7 weeks holiday?

The point I am making is that just as in every profession, there are some who will work more and some who will work less.

I think most of the private sector get about 28 days a year or 4 weeks and Bank Holidays so there is no comparison.

Again it varies from profession to profession. My husband had 35/40 days holiday but as he only worked 5 days a week ( as do a lot) that was 7/8 weeks. One advantage is that he could take them when he liked as opposed to the main peaks periods.

I don't disagree that one of the perks of teaching is the holidays but I would at least like some realistic figures quoted.

chucknorris

Rotor wrote: »

Here's my post from the time of the june strike. It caused some consternation from some sections. Still seems a reasonable synopsis to me. ( I have since read that average teacher salary is nearer £35000 making total renumeration about £60,000 full time equivalent http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7372058.stm)


And another thing : teachers
Striking because they should'nt have their conditions reduced!
A salary of 30,000 a year, 35% contibution to their pension ( listen here to an actuary )http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010r7c2#synopsis
That comes to £40500 for a part time role ( 38 weeks a year) divide by 38 and times by 48(weeks per year most fulltimers work) and you arrive at TOTAL RENUMERATION = £51158
YEA THEY'RE REALLY HARD DONE BY.

On the pension front that seems about right to me, I'm a lecturer and my wife (who is an actuary) reckons the pension as it was is worth about 30% of the salary. In my chosen field though even with the pension it is a bit less than my professional salary would have been. But I see this compensated for by the fact that I can work from home a lot more (so can look after my dog), enjoy my job much more and I get much more satisfaction from lecturing.

I don't know about schools but in universities there is a significant amount of time spent on bureaucracy(meetings etc), preparing lectures, coursework and examination questions and marking them of course. In my first year despite being fractional (80%) I worked at least 6 days a week and at least two of those days I started before 5am.

Now that I've got that first year behind me things are a lot better of course, although next year I will have to deliver a new module, I intend to do the bulk of the work next summer.

Why would you want to be 'hard done by'? Are you some sort of hairy shirt wearing catholic monk? If so good luck to you but I'm trying to make life as pleasant as possible, I assumed others were trying to do the same too.

leveller2911

jem16 wrote: »

Again it varies from profession to profession. My husband had 35/40 days holiday but as he only worked 5 days a week ( as do a lot) that was 7/8 weeks. One advantage is that he could take them when he liked as opposed to the main peaks periods.

I don't disagree that one of the perks of teaching is the holidays but I would at least like some realistic figures quoted.

Yes its just one of the perks in teaching along with gold plated pensions and "Key worker" status with housing.......... Sorry but you will never justify the Pension perk to the masses when they re contributing towards your pension whilst at the same time not being able to afford their own pension provision..