The Work Program

saintjammyswine

red_devil wrote: »

do they really help anyone or are they just set up to massage the unemployment figures?

How does having loads of people in a room doing crosswords, wordsearches and looking at optical illusion pictures get them a job.

You dont come off the claimant roll when on the WP.

Emmzi

I don't mind people saying the work programme is unfair. But I wish people would stop comparing it to slavery. If you were a slave you would damn well know all about it. No one "owns title to you". no one is beating you for not taking part! Or have we just forgotten the civil rights struggles?

Get it in proportion. You're being asked to do stuff for a very small amount of money. You can say no. There are consequences to that but no one has taken away your right to refuse.

red_devil

As i said its legalised bullying. You could commit a crime yet still be given food and water yet refuse the wp and you wont be paid.

How do you eat and pay your bills if you cant work.

DebiT

Emmzi wrote: »

You can say no. There are consequences to that but no one has taken away your right to refuse.

So its basically blackmail.

saintjammyswine

DebiT wrote: »

So its basically blackmail.

No, a choice.

DebiT

saintjammyswine wrote: »

No, a choice.

A "choice" that amounts to blackmail.

saintjammyswine

Even blackmail is a choice!!

But seriously, if you dont want to participate, don't. You have to accept the consequences though.

If I chose not to work then I wouldn't get paid, we all have choices, just have to live with those choices.

DebiT

saintjammyswine wrote: »

Even blackmail is a choice!!

But seriously, if you dont want to participate, don't. You have to accept the consequences though.

If I chose not to work then I wouldn't get paid, we all have choices, just have to live with those choices.

Can you hear how smug you sound?
Would you be happy to work for less than £2 an hour?
Dont you feel uncomfortable working in an industry that is exploiting people like this? Still I suppose its better than working for a living.

saintjammyswine

DebiT wrote: »

Can you hear how smug you sound?
Smug how? I was on JSA, I work with people on JSA. They are happy to engage with the programme and we have had successes because of it.
Would you be happy to work for less than £2 an hour?
Nope, when I was on JSA I would not have protested about joining this programme though.
Dont you feel uncomfortable working in an industry that is exploiting people like this?
Still I suppose its better than working for a living.
If you saw the work that goes into these programmes from providers and employers you would realise they are not being exploited and that we work very hard to help people.

I have already said, several times about the dross out there. Neither I, nor the people I work with are exploiting anyone. I am not involved in retail, shop work or shelf stacking companies.
The employers I work with have put in a huge amount of effort and this programme costs them money to be involved in. From it, they have employed people and it is going to be extended to other employers and to a wider area.

DebiT

saintjammyswine wrote: »

I have already said, several times about the dross out there. Neither I, nor the people I work with are exploiting anyone. Do you only do it part time, or are you posting on here whilst you are at work?
I am not involved in retail, shop work or shelf stacking companies.
The employers I work with have put in a huge amount of effort and this programme costs them money to be involved in. Are these the same employers who get free labour?
From it, they have employed people and it is going to be extended to other employers and to a wider area. Employed people in a proper job for at least NMW?

See questions above.