New rules for working tax???

dktreesea

sky111 wrote: »

With the expansion of the EU, immigrants have been attracted to this country by the welfare system and, in my area. I could see the race to have children to start on the benefits. It would be interesting to see how the introduction of the universal credit will force some of these immigrants to go back home. Benefit reform can't come fast enough.

I note though that the government's white paper on universal credit says:

"When introduced, Universal Credit will initially apply to new claims. It will be phased in for existing benefit and Tax Credit recipients. There will be no cash losers at the point of change, ensuring that no one will see their benefits reduced when Universal Credit is introduced."

So presumably, if you are already claiming for 10 children, you will go on receiving however much you get now.

I don't see why having the universal credit will force some immigrants back home. Why would it? It will still include housing, child care, child benefit, child tax credit, council tax benefit, working tax credit components as appropriate. The main difference from what I can see is that the clawback will be limited to 65p for each pound earned (presumably, as is the case now, over the applicable amount) avoiding the situation you get now where at certain points as income increases, the clawback across the myriad of different benefits is at a great rate than the after tax income is growing.

And why shouldn't people rush to have children? The policy of the government, clear for all to see from the way the benefits system is designed, is to encourage people to have children and also to work part time. There aren't enough jobs to go around, so if everyone works 24 hours a week (used to be 16) instead of 40 hours a week, a lot more people will have the chance to work. Again, this is the policy of both the current and previous administration. If this is not their policy, why is the benefit system designed to give maximum reward to those who work part time rather than those who work full time?

dktreesea

meemo38 wrote: »

Sorry you feel it comes across that way, but i am definetly not in anyway shape or form a racist,, and i apologise if i came across that way....basically all i am trying to get across is that this country has a LOT of people and not enough jobs...if we cut back on giving the jobs to others there would be more jobs to kick the people who are happy to sit on the dole or whatever it is called these days....then they can find out those who want to work, and those who dont/wont a little easier, and start cutting benefits to kick them up the bum...i have always stressed to my kids that they have to work for a living, nothing comes free.
As for the agency, i am going on what the young lad told me, i do know though around here there are a lot of agencies, so dont know which one he was referring to.
I do applaud those who do work here when others wont even get off their bums....and i know a few believe me:D
I'm hoping this can now be resolved, i really don't want to offend anyone!!!

You seem to be forgetting one thing - it is not the unemployed person , or Polish person for that matter, who chooses to work. It's the employer who chooses whether or not to employ them. Local employers can just as easily choose to employ local NEET 18 to 24 year olds rather than immigrants. But they prefer to employ immigrants. That's their choice. And there is not a thing, short of closing our borders, that the government or the local people can do about it.

You stress to your children they have to work for a living. What are you personally going to do about it if they can't get work? Will you, for example, be setting up in self employment and employing them? It really gets my wick to read comments like we should be giving people who haven't been able to find a job and are no longer looking very hard for one because they have worked out its a waste of effort, a whole lot of grief, like cutting their benefits or "kicking them up the bum" as you so disrespectfully put it. If you are not prepared to do anything to employ the unemployed in Britain,how about not criticising them either.

emiai

There are a percentage of people who are quite happy to do the minimum, and will continue to do so.

If families need to up their hours to 24 to qualify for benefits then they will. I don't expect many will rush to do more than that, as the benefit system gives from one department, only to be taken away from another.

For some the effort of working more hours will not be worth it overall money wise due to this, this is why Universal Credit is being introduced so you get to keep more of what you earn when working more hours.