Motability

Pimperne1

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Well post #113 above is a response to a post in which GD is asking you whether you object to people getting 500-2000 a month in housing benefit. Whilst he doesn't use that exact language that it so obviously what he is asking you that there is no other way his question could be interpreted. Anyway, you've cleared up any confusion your answer may have created so let's not have a 40 page argument about it.

Yes, I can see where it is confusing. I assumed Graham was referring to me as a Landlord taking such rent not a benefits claimant.

plummie2003

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Sticking disabled people in a reliant robin isn't the best of ideas, neither is sticking them in any other silly little cars. It would be classed as discriination now (quite rightly too), highlighting them as disabled.

Do some reasearch before putting your foot in it, both in terms of lack of understanding towards the motability scheme, and also lack of foresight into how discriminative it would be to start putting the disabled in cheap little silly cars...not only that, but cheap little silly cars most of the time wouldn't suit the type of disability.

Poor thread.

"I have 5 children so can't work due to childcare costs, nor can i afford a car, and wouldnt be able to afford one through the motability scheme on the benefits i receive. Why do i get discriminated against? If i could afford a car, or to run one it certainly wouldn't be one suitable for my needs, 4 child seats, and 3 other seats. Who helps me with my costs, no one! instead i have to drag them round on public transport. Why can't disabled people use public transport like everybody else who can't provide an income for themself!?
Discrimination just SHOULDNT happen, negative OR positive. as far as i am concerned, this scheme is positive discrimination toward disabled people, as are many of the discounts they receive simply because they are disabled. Why should the disabled be entitled to something that many hard working, individuals cannot afford either.

Any by the way, for anyone who sits there and says 'well you shouldnt have had 5 children then' I was only ever pregnant three times, i had two children and then triplets, if circumstances were different, like my partner not leaving me, and had my third pregnancy been a single baby i would have been able to go back to work, afford childcare, and a car."

Graham_Devon

plummie2003 wrote: »

"I have 5 children so can't work due to childcare costs, nor can i afford a car, and wouldnt be able to afford one through the motability scheme on the benefits i receive. Why do i get discriminated against? If i could afford a car, or to run one it certainly wouldn't be one suitable for my needs, 4 child seats, and 3 other seats. Who helps me with my costs, no one! instead i have to drag them round on public transport. Why can't disabled people use public transport like everybody else who can't provide an income for themself!?

Ok. Just think about it

Pimperne1

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ok. Just think about it

Well to be honest if you are going to say "because they are disabled" then I think you are in danger of being found wanting with that argument. Haven't the local authorities gone to considerable lengths to lower kerbs, bus companies have gone to the trouble to have buses that lower when they are at bus stops and provided wide aisles for wheelchairs, rail stations have provided lifts, most places need to have ramps for disabled access.

Its not going to be easy (but its a heck of a lot easier than if you were disabled 20 years ago I expect).

OptionARMAGEDDON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ok. Just think about it

what would the chinese do?

OptionARMAGEDDON

plummie2003 wrote: »

"I have 5 children so can't work due to childcare costs, nor can i afford a car, and wouldnt be able to afford one through the motability scheme on the benefits i receive. Why do i get discriminated against? If i could afford a car, or to run one it certainly wouldn't be one suitable for my needs, 4 child seats, and 3 other seats. Who helps me with my costs, no one! instead i have to drag them round on public transport. Why can't disabled people use public transport like everybody else who can't provide an income for themself!?
Discrimination just SHOULDNT happen, negative OR positive. as far as i am concerned, this scheme is positive discrimination toward disabled people, as are many of the discounts they receive simply because they are disabled. Why should the disabled be entitled to something that many hard working, individuals cannot afford either.

Any by the way, for anyone who sits there and says 'well you shouldnt have had 5 children then' I was only ever pregnant three times, i had two children and then triplets, if circumstances were different, like my partner not leaving me, and had my third pregnancy been a single baby i would have been able to go back to work, afford childcare, and a car."

you could have mag to grid.

grizzly1911

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

what would the chinese do?

Would only hav eone child to start with.

Graham_Devon

Pimperne1 wrote: »

Well to be honest if you are going to say "because they are disabled" then I think you are in danger of being found wanting with that argument. Haven't the local authorities gone to considerable lengths to lower kerbs, bus companies have gone to the trouble to have buses that lower when they are at bus stops and provided wide aisles for wheelchairs, rail stations have provided lifts, most places need to have ramps for disabled access.

Its not going to be easy (but its a heck of a lot easier than if you were disabled 20 years ago I expect).

No one has gone to considerable lengths to lower curbs. It's higher curbs.

I don't think you have ever been in a situation whereby you have found yourself with a disabled person and actually had to carry out your usual life.

Therefore, I don't believe there is much point continuing to discuss this with you. You have your views, I have mine. The government has theirs. The government, for many many years now has decided to go with the mobility scheme.

Until you try to get yourself through town in a wheelchair, or until you realise you can only walk 200 yards before you leg physically seizies up, and the bus stop is another half a mile away, you are simply not going to be able to comprehend how a raised curb isn't going to make the public transport system work for very many people.

Get rid of schemes such as SMI before you start making the lives of disabled people worse.

chewmylegoff

plummie2003 wrote: »

Why can't disabled people use public transport like everybody else who can't provide an income for themself!?
Discrimination just SHOULDNT happen, negative OR positive. as far as i am concerned, this scheme is positive discrimination toward disabled people, as are many of the discounts they receive simply because they are disabled. Why should the disabled be entitled to something that many hard working, individuals cannot afford either.

Probably because they physically cannot either get to it, or get on it I expect. Whilst public transport is better than it was there are still huge parts of it which are not accessible. E.g. I don't think you'd find it very funny trying to get around London on the tube in a wheelchair.

Also I think most hard working people and indeed their slightly lazy counterparts who don't do all that much work, and the downright idle actually can afford a car given that there are over 30 million of them on the road.

It's also a bit rich for you to moan about someone else getting benefits when you are entirely supported by them yourself.

Emy1501

plummie2003 wrote: »

"I have 5 children so can't work due to childcare costs, nor can i afford a car, and wouldnt be able to afford one through the motability scheme on the benefits i receive. Why do i get discriminated against? If i could afford a car, or to run one it certainly wouldn't be one suitable for my needs, 4 child seats, and 3 other seats. Who helps me with my costs, no one! instead i have to drag them round on public transport. Why can't disabled people use public transport like everybody else who can't provide an income for themself!?
Discrimination just SHOULDNT happen, negative OR positive. as far as i am concerned, this scheme is positive discrimination toward disabled people, as are many of the discounts they receive simply because they are disabled. Why should the disabled be entitled to something that many hard working, individuals cannot afford either.

Any by the way, for anyone who sits there and says 'well you shouldnt have had 5 children then' I was only ever pregnant three times, i had two children and then triplets, if circumstances were different, like my partner not leaving me, and had my third pregnancy been a single baby i would have been able to go back to work, afford childcare, and a car."

You had choice whether to have 5 kids and you also had choice to make sure you married someone suitable before you decided to have kids.

The vast majority of people eligible for this benefit will never had had the opportunity like you would have done to make something of their life and their life will have been greatly improved by it. The scheme does not cost the government extra money unlike a sponger like you. I suspect your childcare nonsense is just an excuse as I suspect you still won' t bother working even when your kids are at school.

It people like you milking the system that are the problem not the disabled. I bet you and your 5 kids cost way more than a disabled person costs to support