Rear fog light idiots

Ego_Shredder

I agree with you and it can be that simple most of the time, but I am refering to other scenarios I occasionally find myself in. It matters because other people seem to ignore whether a car is signalling their intentions or not, and then wonder why they have hit the car that did not exit at the same time as them. Also from the point of view of being the car following the one in front, you have to assume nothing and be on your guard. I often find that drivers just do not bother to signal when they intend to exit, and if you are in the inside lane and wanting to exit quickly (you cannot easily slow down to wait with cars all around you), you need to know instantly what a car in your exit path is going to do, otherwise it means BANG!

Paperbird

Ego_Shredder wrote: »

I agree with you and it can be that simple most of the time, but I am refering to other scenarios I occasionally find myself in. It matters because other people seem to ignore whether a car is signalling their intentions or not, and then wonder why they have hit the car that did not exit at the same time as them. Also from the point of view of being the car following the one in front, you have to assume nothing and be on your guard. I often find that drivers just do not bother to signal when they intend to exit, and if you are in the inside lane and wanting to exit quickly (you cannot easily slow down to wait with cars all around you), you need to know instantly what a car in your exit path is going to do, otherwise it means BANG!

I understand now. You want to pass everyone and cut from the right hand lane to the left lane at the last minute. Read your highway code and give way to traffic already on the roundabout. If it's in front of you it was on the roundabout before you so give way to it. If you signal and move to the correct lane at the correct time you will not have this problem.

Wig

Paperbird wrote: »

I understand now. You want to pass everyone and cut from the right hand lane to the left lane at the last minute. Read your highway code and give way to traffic already on the roundabout. If it's in front of you it was on the roundabout before you so give way to it. If you signal and move to the correct lane at the correct time you will not have this problem.

Not true, there may be two lanes on exit, if that is the case then you can legitimately be to the right of another car on the roundabout and exit on the same exit.

The problem that you are having "difficulty to understand what the problem is" is when this happens but the car to the left of you cuts across infront of you -because THEY were in the wrong lane on the rbt.

The poster was asking what can you do to avoid this happening. The reason that you would not do this .....your words....blindly
"You use the correct lane and signal at the right time and take the exit you want."
is because there have been test cases where a collision has occured, and it has been established that if the person on the outside of the roundabout has already passed one exit (i.e. they are now intent on passing their 2nd exit) then they must exercise extreme caution if they intend to miss the next exit, and any collision with a car to their right taking that exit will be their fault (the car on the left's fault) with possibly a smaller percentage fault on the car to the right.

If the car on the left is passing their 1st exit then the car to the right must take extreme caution.

It's not always as simple as you make it out to be with people in the wrong lanes on rbts.

Oh, and giving way to traffic already on the rbt means giving way to traffic from your right as you enter the rbt.

Ego, Some rbts are very big and speeding up to overtake on the right is no big deal.

Paperbird

No mention of two lanes on the exit but several times " following the car in front " To me this means both are in the same lane.
Then " in the inside lane and wanting to exit quickly (you cannot easily slow down to wait with cars all around you), you need to know instantly what a car in your exit path is going to do "
If there is a car in your path the last thing you do is head for it fast.

If you are leaving a roundabout in the right hand lane of a two lane exit and have any reason to think a car in front of you but in the left lane will continue round and not take the exit SLOW DOWN and give yourself room to take evasive action if needed.
It's happened to me several times and all I needed to do was continue signalling left to show I was leaving the roundabout and slow slightly to give more room if it continued round.

Ego_Shredder

Paperbird wrote: »

I understand now. You want to pass everyone and cut from the right hand lane to the left lane at the last minute. Read your highway code and give way to traffic already on the roundabout. If it's in front of you it was on the roundabout before you so give way to it. If you signal and move to the correct lane at the correct time you will not have this problem.

I do give way to the ones in front, but they rarely do for me and so I have to put them first and waive my own right of way! You have to exit at some point, particularly if you entered and went all the way to the last exit. It is rarely possible to move lanes while going around, because cars I find tend to speed and overtake you on the outside lane. So the only option is to keep going around, which in effect means you will be giving way to them more than once. Also many drivers would assume (that word again) that if you moved to the outside lane prior to exiting, they would be angry at you cutting them up, because they will usually be speeding. This is where the Highway Code is useless, because few drivers follow it and that means we cannot either. It basically comes down to being the law of the jungle!

Wig

Paperbird wrote: »

No mention of two lanes on the exit but several times " following the car in front " To me this means both are in the same lane.
Then " in the inside lane and wanting to exit quickly (you cannot easily slow down to wait with cars all around you), you need to know instantly what a car in your exit path is going to do "
If there is a car in your path the last thing you do is head for it fast.

If you are leaving a roundabout in the right hand lane of a two lane exit and have any reason to think a car in front of you but in the left lane will continue round and not take the exit SLOW DOWN and give yourself room to take evasive action if needed.
It's happened to me several times and all I needed to do was continue signalling left to show I was leaving the roundabout and slow slightly to give more room if it continued round.

To me the meaning of the question was obvious, it was not spelled out 100% first time round but the general meaning was there.

Ego wrote:

Here's a question on roundabouts for you..... if you were close behind to a car in the outside lane, and you needed to exit but the car in front was not signalling. Do you (a) exit anyway, assuming they are in the left lane and therefore will take the same exit before you do, or (b) observe the fact they have not signalled to exit and may carry on around the roundabout, or (c) just go all the way around the roundabout yourself and wait for a safer chance to exit.

The post makes no sense what-so-ever if Ego's car is also in the outside lane, the post only starts to make sense if we assume that Ego's car is in the inside lane. The following post from Ego where you asked for clarification makes it a bit more obvious that Ego is in the inside lane because he says as you quoted "in the inside lane and wanting to exit quickly"

Even if there are not two lanes on exit the question and responses still make sense, Ego is behind but to the right of the other car, he expects the other car to exit the single laned/double laned exit, if the other car does this Ego has no problem and can follow behind. If the other car does not do this then there could be a collision, unless precautions have been taken.

If it was a single lane exit I would add to my response to Ego ...Just look over your left shoulder and move in behind the other car before the exit.

Ego_Shredder

Paperbird wrote: »

If you are leaving a roundabout in the right hand lane of a two lane exit and have any reason to think a car in front of you but in the left lane will continue round and not take the exit SLOW DOWN and give yourself room to take evasive action if needed.
It's happened to me several times and all I needed to do was continue signalling left to show I was leaving the roundabout and slow slightly to give more room if it continued round.

This is what I do, just slow down wait and watch except I turn my left signal off, and instead put my right signal on instead because I normally just go around again and hope for a better exit chance.

Ego_Shredder

@ Wig

Yes my apologies for not stating I was in the inside lane and wishing to exit, while following a car in the outside lane that was not signalling to exit. On a previous occasion in 1995, I was the car in front in this scenario, and I was not familiar with the area or roundabout, plus only been driving 18 months. I did not signal to exit because I was not about to, so I carried on and a car came speeding from behind and exited from the outside lane into a two lane exit and smashed into me, taking us both off the roundabout. He was on a journey to sell his car, so unusual he was not being ultra cautious. We were both at fault, but I still maintain he should have observed my lack of signalling and taken it to mean I may not exit, so best not risk a crash. I made the mistake of entering the roundabout and carrying on past the first exit, due to confusion of not knowing which exit to take and a passenger trying to help in a busy situation.

Wig

A rule I always follow is...
If in doubt always enter a rbt in the right hand lane and go around full circle until you know which exit you want to take. If you have entered in the left hand lane then quickly move into the right hand lane, never circle a roundabout in the outside lane.

Ego_Shredder

That is a good rule and one that I will use from now on. It may be obvious and I may once have done this, but I had forgotten about it over the years.