condems want cheap labour

Polyhymnia

CFC has declined my 'generous' offer.


Well that proves my point. If you won't work for free why the hell should I. I would also like to know the 'other' reasons people work for.


I'm tired of the smug and pointless responses that are supposed to be 'constructive'. They can be summarized as 'work harder you !!!!less scrounger' or 'these schemes will teach you the 'skills' and 'experience' you need'. I guess all unemployed people are lazy because y'know after 2008 one million people suddenly lost their work ethic overnight and there was no such thing as a recession.

I have applied for every and any job from toilet cleaning to teaching. How bloody dare you make generalistions about my efforts based on your Daily Mail articles. My attempts at part time work have been sabotaged by the jobcentre who have placed me on this ridiculous scheme so that they can reach their targets rather than help me to get a job.

But then you are right, I'm not going to complain about working for my benefits. I'll just start claiming housing benefit and milking the system. So that I'll 'receive' more. How very grown up of me.

SarEl

Polyhymnia wrote: »

If you won't work for free why the hell should I.

There appears to be a misunderstanding here. You are not working for free and nobody is making you work for free. You are working, if nothing else, for the right to be paid, just like anyone else. If employees don't go to work, then they don't get paid. If you don't go and get work experience, you don't get paid. If you want more payment then you must do what everyone else has to do - find something that pays more.

You are entirely free to refuse to work, just as anyone else is. You may then not expect to be paid, just as everyone else wouldn't be. Nobody, or at least very few people, think that all unemployed people are lazy, and I agree with you that some of the media are not at all helpful in constantly highlighting the cases of people who wouldn't work if you threw a job at them, because everyone gets tarred with the sme brush. But isn't that what you are doing? You are assuming based on what you have heard, that you have nothing to learn and no experience to gain from a work placement - despite the fact that you admit that you have neither the skills nor the experience to obtain employment.

And no - you won't start claiming housing benefit and milking the system. Because the rules are changing and the rules are changing fast. By the time the universal credit is introduced you will be entitled to a bedsit all the way up to the age of 35; your rent and council tax benefit will disappear, as will your JSA, and be rolled into this new credit, the whole of which could be sanctioned if you refuse to participate in whatever work experience programmes exist at that time. And if you haven't figured that out, it means homeless and jobless. Parts of this legislation enacted in April this year, and more and more will be introduced over the next 18 months.

So if you feel hard done by you have seen nothing yet. It may not be "fair" whatever that means, and it may not be what you want, but instead of complaining about it I suggest that you "milk" the system for all the skills and experience, no matter how small, you can get now that will get you into work. Because it is not a case of it could be worse - it will be worse.

CFC

Polyhymnia wrote: »

I have applied for every and any job from toilet cleaning to teaching. .

You've applied for teaching roles, with no skills or experience....surprised you didn't apply for a job as a brain surgeon while you were at it. Beggars belief.

You'll notice at no point have I said that you are one of the people who is lazy and doesn't want to work under any circumstances. Your problem is that you want to work under circumstances of your own choosing. Life's not like that.

Sar-El is more generous than I am in her summary of your situation. Personally I look forward to you experiencing the routine of the workplace while on benefits, it will be an eye opener for you in more than one way. Indeed, perhaps after that you will be able to understand that there are varied motivators to work and everyone is different.

As for 'working for free' you'll find a lot of employed people also do that...try looking around on the boards for comments about compulsoury overtime (unpaid). You have a great deal to learn but I'm afraid it sounds like your ego will prevent you.

claire16c

Polyhymnia wrote: »

You are right and I am currently taking an Open university degree. But the problem is that the qualifications that you need by Law to work in most places (NVQ's/CSCS card/Forklift or driving licence/) cost money which requires a job! (I've been refused a PCDL)

Ive had several jobs over the years and not one of them required those qualifications. What about working in a shop, pub, hotel, supermarket, the list is endless.

You can study up to the age of 18 for free anyway, so what about all those qualifications you should have from school?

claire16c

koiboy wrote: »

I have some questions about this
1. who is going to pay the bus fares to this
2. do they provide a meal
3. what happens if you cannot physically do this work as you are disabled do you get sanctioned
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article-2059237/Jobseekers-fail-work-forced-voluntary-work-30-hours-week.html

A meal? Are you joking?

What exactly makes you so special other people should provide your food for you?

Polyhymnia

I applied for fairly informal teaching positions (tuition/evening school as I can teach a number of languages)

CFC I do not need your 'generosity' Sar-El knows what she is talking about, I will admit that. You on the other hand absolutely NOTHING useful beyond the usual knee-jerk 'all unemployed people should be punished'.

Would you like it if I told you that I look forward to you living in poverty and having to work for 'valuable experience'. Perhaps your eyes would be 'opened'. But the truth is I wouldn't because I am not a smug and vindictive person who kicks people when they are down. I would not spend my free time unconstructively criticizing people or gloating. Consider that.

As for people on this board not being paid for their 'work' I think you'll find that a great majority of them are COMPLAINING about it.

Hammyman

Polyhymnia wrote: »

Absolutely, I'm a young person who doesn't get housing benefit ect, but just £50 a week. I am just one of the hundreds of thousands of unemployed youth who are expected to get a job without skills or experience in the middle of a recession or failing that participate in a work programme that has all the work of a job but none of the benefits (i.e pays the minimum wage).

Boohoo. Do you think that you're unique or this is the first time this has happened? I left school in the middle of the 80s where unemployment was at a record level that has still yet to be reached. I went through the recession of the 90's when I got discharged from the army - both recessions before I was 25. In both instances, I had little trouble finding work.

saintjammyswine

Polyhymnia wrote: »

CFC has declined my 'generous' offer.


Well that proves my point. If you won't work for free why the hell should I. I would also like to know the 'other' reasons people work for.


I'm tired of the smug and pointless responses that are supposed to be 'constructive'. They can be summarized as 'work harder you !!!!less scrounger' or 'these schemes will teach you the 'skills' and 'experience' you need'. I guess all unemployed people are lazy because y'know after 2008 one million people suddenly lost their work ethic overnight and there was no such thing as a recession.

I have applied for every and any job from toilet cleaning to teaching. How bloody dare you make generalistions about my efforts based on your Daily Mail articles. My attempts at part time work have been sabotaged by the jobcentre who have placed me on this ridiculous scheme so that they can reach their targets rather than help me to get a job.

But then you are right, I'm not going to complain about working for my benefits. I'll just start claiming housing benefit and milking the system. So that I'll 'receive' more. How very grown up of me.

JCP no longer have specific targets like that, get your facts right.

When you were at school and people said you should listen, work hard and get some qualifications what were you doing then? thinking of smart !!!! comebacks or actually getting your head down and learning? You are reaping what you have sewn and now you expect handouts. You should think yourself lucky that the country is not so far down the swanny that we cant afford a welfare system, yet. Are all people on JSA lazy etc? no, of course not, there are (from personal & professional experience) a great number however, that come from multi-generations of unemployment and have a complete lack of work ethic (not always their own fault).