condems want cheap labour

SarEl

Purbeck wrote: »

sorry I must have missed the reference to cameras etc elsewhere?

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liney

Polyhymnia wrote: »

Absolutely, I'm a young person who doesn't get housing benefit ect, but just £50 a week. I am just one of the hundreds of thousands of unemployed youth who are expected to get a job without skills or experience in the middle of a recession or failing that participate in a work programme that has all the work of a job but none of the benefits (i.e pays the minimum wage).

Education. Apprenticeships. While you are young take the opportunity to skill up! It's much easier than going back to school later.

Unless you skill up you will always be at the bottom of the recruitment pile, and you will probably stay close to minimum wage.

Oldernotwiser

Lith wrote: »

This 30hrs thing will never work,


i cant see the doler's getting out of bed Monday to Friday 30 hours for £60..... Give them £250 then they just might Ha, this whole thing will collapse.

Don't forget the LHA/HB/CTB that most people receive in addition to JSA.

Oldernotwiser

Polyhymnia wrote: »

Absolutely, I'm a young person who doesn't get housing benefit ect, but just £50 a week. I am just one of the hundreds of thousands of unemployed youth who are expected to get a job without skills or experience in the middle of a recession or failing that participate in a work programme that has all the work of a job but none of the benefits (i.e pays the minimum wage).

Surely the reason you have no skills and no experience is mainly your fault? A work programme will enable you to get both.

koiboy

I already do voluntary work in my local community will i have to give this up to go on this government scheme
my camera and android phone was paid for by saving my money as i do not drink or smoke
i am by no means a layabout i also attend adult education courses to improve my employment skills

t0rt0ise

Imagine charities and community programs being run by hundreds of people who don't want to be there. Doesn't sound very efficient. I'd hate to be one running it.

CFC

Efficient or not it is an excellent thing to be happening. We need to rid people of the 'entitlement' mentality.

Look at Polyhymnia, 'has all of the work of a job but none of the benefits' - a young person should be snatching someone's hand off at the thought of training or work experience when they have neither skills nor experience, not sulking in the corner because they won't receive a lot of money to pi$$ away!

koi boy I have no idea of the answer to your question and I frankly don't care much what the answer is. Ask your question in the benefits board, not the work board.

The most awfully striking thing about all these young posters in this thread is that they have an incredible sense of self importance and /or self pity. No wonder they can't get jobs. They would not be likely to be employed if there were full employment, and that's what they don't get.

Polyhymnia

liney wrote: »

Education. Apprenticeships. While you are young take the opportunity to skill up! It's much easier than going back to school later.

Unless you skill up you will always be at the bottom of the recruitment pile, and you will probably stay close to minimum wage.

You are right and I am currently taking an Open university degree. But the problem is that the qualifications that you need by Law to work in most places (NVQ's/CSCS card/Forklift or driving licence/) cost money which requires a job! (I've been refused a PCDL)

Apprenticeships are fairly thin on the ground (I must of sent off 100's of applications) and I was told that they are prioritized to school leavers (16-18)

The only option left to me is to raise the money through working but this is proving difficult as jobs that require no skills/experience are really, really rare.

I am trying to scrape enough money for a course, but it's very frustrating to be told by people that my current 30 hour work program is somehow as good as a proper job. WELL, IT DOESN'T PAY LIKE A PROPER F***ING JOB AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE WORK-FOR MONEY.

Sorry to 'shout'.

Polyhymnia

CFC wrote: »

Efficient or not it is an excellent thing to be happening. We need to rid people of the 'entitlement' mentality.

Look at Polyhymnia, 'has all of the work of a job but none of the benefits' - a young person should be snatching someone's hand off at the thought of training or work experience when they have neither skills nor experience, not sulking in the corner because they won't receive a lot of money to pi$$ away!

koi boy I have no idea of the answer to your question and I frankly don't care much what the answer is. Ask your question in the benefits board, not the work board.

The most awfully striking thing about all these young posters in this thread is that they have an incredible sense of self importance and /or self pity. No wonder they can't get jobs. They would not be likely to be employed if there were full employment, and that's what they don't get.

Would you work for free? PM me so that you can do all my washing, cooking, gardening etc. I'm sure you're "snatching someone's hand off at the thought of training or work experience when they have neither skills nor experience" at this opportunity. No need to thank me.

What I choose to do with my money (i.e. pi$$ it away) is my choice the important thing is that I've earned it. If you call this a sensne of entitlement than perhaps slave labour is more your kind of thing/

CFC

Polyhymnia wrote: »

Would you work for free? PM me so that you can do all my washing, cooking, gardening etc. I'm sure you're "snatching someone's hand off at the thought of training or work experience when they have neither skills nor experience" at this opportunity. No need to thank me.

What I choose to do with my money (i.e. pi$$ it away) is my choice the important thing is that I've earned it. If you call this a sensne of entitlement than perhaps slave labour is more your kind of thing/

Thank you my dear, I am in gainful employment, in a responsible job, and I have a wide variety of skills, unlike you by your own admission.
Therefore I am not in need of skills or experience. You are. If I was in your position I should be looking to improve both rather than metaphorically kicking the cat about having to do something.

If you had any sense you would be asking myself and other posters for constructive advice on improving your lot and your prospects in life, not whinging over the possibility of having to do something in return for benefits.

You haven't earned any money, you have only received benefits!

...that is the whole point - you have no skills nor experience, nor job, yet you feel you should be entitled to earn a good wage. You certainly don't need a Fork Lift Truck licence or a driving licence to get a job. Such nonsense. However you may find that the jobs that do not require skill or experience are not to your taste.

Try to get out of your 'pocket money' mentality and join the world of grown ups.

And no, people work for all kinds of motivations, not just money. You can't generalise. Because you lack that experience you don't understand why people work.

Says it all really.