condems want cheap labour

bobajob_1966

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

If I'm not working I don't have breakfast and I often don't have lunch as I stay in bed to keep warm without putting the heating on.

If I am working I have to have breakfast and lunch or I start getting ill.

If you are not working, surely you are jobseeking, not staying in bed all day?

System

A serious answer to the OP might be nice?

So people are going to be 'volunteered' to do what exactly? to do the jobs that are already being done by paid employees who will then be 'let go' because the job is being done by volunteers? That is what I wonder....yes in principle it may be a good idea, but in practice I have grave doubts that this government could manage it.

bobajob_1966

Purbeck wrote: »

A serious answer to the OP might be nice?

So people are going to be 'volunteered' to do what exactly? to do the jobs that are already being done by paid employees who will then be 'let go' because the job is being done by volunteers? That is what I wonder....yes in principle it may be a good idea, but in practice I have grave doubts that this government could manage it.

The OP received the answers to his questions in post #2.

As far as I am aware the type of work has not yet been ascertained, but I would expect it to be things like conservation projects, SureStart Centres etc.

SarEl

Purbeck wrote: »

A serious answer to the OP might be nice?

So people are going to be 'volunteered' to do what exactly? to do the jobs that are already being done by paid employees who will then be 'let go' because the job is being done by volunteers? That is what I wonder....yes in principle it may be a good idea, but in practice I have grave doubts that this government could manage it.

I don't know about anyone else but mine was a serious answer. I know plenty of people in work who cannot afford £600 cameras, and android phones. And I don't know anyone out of work who can. So I am genuinely interested in why the OP needs me to pay for their bus fares and lunches, because I appear to be paying already for cameras and android phones.

System

sorry I must have missed the reference to cameras etc elsewhere?

Owain_Moneysaver

bobajob_1966 wrote: »

If you are not working, surely you are jobseeking, not staying in bed all day?

Not claiming JSA.

But I do my jobseeking in the evenings, when the flat has warmed up a bit because the downstairs flat's heating has come on.

Owain_Moneysaver

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

where did you buy your magic bed?

Poundstretcher duvets.

bobajob_1966

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

Not claiming JSA.

But I do my jobseeking in the evenings, when the flat has warmed up a bit because the downstairs flat's heating has come on.

So the scenario in question does not apply anyway?

Plus if you were on the scheme, you could spend the duvet money on food!

newmumincov

Purbeck wrote: »

A serious answer to the OP might be nice?

So people are going to be 'volunteered' to do what exactly? to do the jobs that are already being done by paid employees who will then be 'let go' because the job is being done by volunteers? That is what I wonder....yes in principle it may be a good idea, but in practice I have grave doubts that this government could manage it.

There are lots of useful things that aren't being done by paid employees at the moment because either a) no one has the money to pay or b) they aren't considered worth paying for even when council coffers are flush.

As another poster said, there's conservation projects for a start. All kinds of charities rely on volunteer help and many could do with a boost in manpower.

What about community projects? Loads of places like bits of wasteland or closed community buildings are left to rot because councils don't have the money to clean them up and put them back into use, and because many local communities look to the council to organise anything like that, they will stay that way until some initiative is put into place to deal with them.

I generally don't like to get on my high horse, but it pains me a lot to think that somehow many people seem to feel that jobs like keeping the streets clean, visiting the elderly, guiding/coaching local youth, organising social clubs or providing support to the vulnerable are only worth doing if it's paid, that somehow this kind of role should be reserved for paid employees (in essence external authority figures rather than people in the community) and that even if both paid employees and volunteers end up doing the same job, it'll somehow mean that it'll ever be enough to meet demand.

It's this kind of attitude that results in people dialling 999 because they're worried about an elderly neighbour without actually trying to speak to them or visit them themselves or because they are that elderly neighbour and need to go for a wee and their council employed official carer is 2 hours late.

Lith

This 30hrs thing will never work,


i cant see the doler's getting out of bed Monday to Friday 30 hours for £60..... Give them £250 then they just might Ha, this whole thing will collapse.