How do i rehome our border collie?

Becles

Like I said - just leave it will you :mad:

You can throw all sorts of blame, name calling and accusations at me.

At the end of the day, I'm happy for my dogs, children and baby when (s)he arrives to live in the same home. It's not your place to tell me that this is not acceptable, because you have ideas that I do not believe in.

flutterfairy

Sorry you had an unsavoury PM Becles. That is taking things to the next level and I dont agree with that at all. A person certainly did not waste any time sending that to you.

flutterfairy

I dont think anybody wants to call you names Becles. You cant however blame a child when you are the one that put the child in the situation in the first place. It was an accident simply waiting to happen.

Becles

If children provoke a dog, a dog will warn the child by growling and showing it's teeth. If the child has been told these are warning signs, but ignores them and continues to provoke the dog, then it is not the dogs fault it bites. It's the child's fault for ignoring warnings from both the dog and the adult.

I am interested in your experience in dogs and children? Are you making statements from personal experience, or have your opinions been formed by things you have read in the press, internet forums etc.?

flutterfairy

Becles wrote: »

If children provoke a dog, a dog will warn the child by growling and showing it's teeth. If the child has been told these are warning signs, but ignores them and continues to provoke the dog, then it is not the dogs fault it bites. It's the child's fault for ignoring warnings from both the dog and the adult.

But children are not adults and they will do dangerous things. This is why they rely on adults to make informed decisions for them and not place them in a dangerous situation!!! Of course it is not the dogs fault. It is not the childs fault either. It is the OWNERS fault for putting the child into a scenario where it will be attacked by an animal. Ask a parent of a child that has been mauled badly (or worse) if it was the childs fault. That should put things into perspective.

Becles

I disagree with you.

Children push parents by disobeying them. Not just with dogs, but with other things too. Like "don't touch the radiator it's hot". Chances are most parents here will have a child who touched the radiator becuase they wanted to see if it really was hot. Therefore if a child is told not to provoke and dog, and is warned by the parent and the dog to pack it in, it is completely the childs fault if they continue to provoke the dog until it does bite.

I've never placed my children in dangerous situations and I never will. I would be grateful if you could keep this thread as a discussion, rather than continue to make personal attacks on me.

I am still interested in your experience with dogs and children. Do you have either?

flutterfairy

Becles wrote: »

I disagree with you.

Children push parents by disobeying them. Not just with dogs, but with other things too. Like "don't touch the radiator it's hot". Chances are most parents here will have a child who touched the radiator becuase they wanted to see if it really was hot. Therefore if a child is told not to provoke and dog, and is warned by the parent and the dog to pack it in, it is completely the childs fault if it gets bitten.

I've never placed my children in dangerous situations and I never will. I would be grateful if you could keep this thread as a discussion, rather than continue to make personal attacks on me.

I am still interested in your experience with dogs and children. Do you have either?

Yes a radiator is hot and inanimate. A cooker is hot ~ again inanimate. The same for an iron and a zillion other household items. It is the parents job to make sure the child does not touch these things. And a radiator that is hot enough to burn when touched is TOO HOT!!! I do not have a dog and furthermore I do not need a dog to know that when one attacks one of my children ( yes I do have children) that its one dangerous situation too much. Much the same as I dont need to be out in the rain to know its wet! Maybe I am wrong and I am sorry if I am too forthcoming with my opinions but to blame your child when you are the one that owns the dog and the one that put your child into a potential situation when at some point the dog would go for it is an insane way of thinking to me. I can't see the parents of another child quite taking that reasoning or excuse that it was their childs fault when your dog went for them. If you want to avoid accidents then at least prevent them from happening in the first place.

Penny-Pincher!!

Becles wrote: »

I've deleted my post as due to an abusive PM, I'm too upset to post on here anymore.

Hoping my unborn baby gets mauled by my dog to prove your point is not acceptable. I won't be reading or posting in this thread anymore as it's too distressing getting PM's like that.

Becles have you reported the abusive PM? Dont let them bully you into not posting.
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Becles

flutterfairy wrote: »

to blame your child when you are the one that owns the dog and the one that put your child into a potential situation when at some point the dog would go for it is an insane way of thinking to me. I can't see the parents of another child quite taking that reasoning or excuse that it was their childs fault when your dog went for them. If you want to avoid accidents then at least prevent them from happening in the first place.

That is extremely unfair. You admit you can't see my reasoning, so now I have an insane way of thinking

You have said you do not own a dog, so it is fair to assume that you have no experience of handling dogs. Therefore I don't know where you got your information about dogs from.

As an experienced dog handler, I know the opinions you have formed are incorrect. I am happy for my children and baby, plus my dogs to live in the same home, and I do not feel they are in danger for the reasons I have stated.

It is pointless discussing this further with you, as you have obviously decided that what you know is correct and you are not prepared to listen and respect other peoples views on the matter in hand regardless of their personal experiences.

I'm all for open debate on issues and enjoy a good discussion, but when a persons posts turn into countless personal attacks it's time for me to bow out.

scrimpandsaver

I am sorry but i have to agree with fairy, you cannot blame a child for a dog biting them, they should never be left alone, kids are naturally inquisitive and at certain ages under 5's mainly will push the limits, this is a part of natural development and every good parent will know this.