How do i rehome our border collie?

Eels100

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

And the same people think it's OK to have small children along with a Rottweiler and a Bull Terrier, (mentioned in a former post), both strong aggressive breeds proved to be unreliable with children.

Beats me.

OK I could tolerate you until this comment!

You're the sort of person who walks past perfectly responsible owners with their well-behaved dogs under control and tuts at them for owning Staffies, aren't you? Have you ever owned either of the above breeds? Do you know anything more about these breeds than what the media has fed you? Do you work with various breeds of dogs? Have you experience of dealing with dog vs human conflict situations?

The problem with both the above breeds is their image - they are too often bought by idiots as a status symbol and aren't trained or socialised properly, with the result that they develop behavioural issues and end up hurting people. Funnily enough it's these same homes in which children get hurt - usually because not only hasn't the dog been socialised, but the parents seem to think it's OK to leave dogs and children alone together. These situations are the ones the media have a party over, and give the dogs such bad reputations.

I have dealt with both the above breeds frequently and can honestly say I have had less dealings with problematic dogs of these breeds than I have had issues with Labradors. Of the top 5 most aggressive individuals I know, 3 are Labs, one is a Collie and one is a Jack Russell. I've met one nasty Rottweiler (in several years), and I've never yet had a problem with a Staffy. In fact, for a family with younger children I would wholeheartedly recommend they take on a Staffy (known as the nanny dog for their mild temperament) before they take on a Lab.

It's high time ignorance like yours was put right - we must not blame dogs for our mistakes as humans. No dog bites for fun, they bite because they've been put in an unnatural situation and its owners have not taught it how to deal with it, or taught their children how to deal with dogs.

robwend

this post has taken a totally diffrent direction

Eels100

robwend wrote: »

this post has taken a totally diffrent direction

You're right. The OP posted the original thread months ago, he won't even be reading this.

katiesmummy

Eels100 wrote: »

OK I could tolerate you until this comment!

You're the sort of person who walks past perfectly responsible owners with their well-behaved dogs under control and tuts at them for owning Staffies, aren't you? Have you ever owned either of the above breeds? Do you know anything more about these breeds than what the media has fed you? Do you work with various breeds of dogs? Have you experience of dealing with dog vs human conflict situations?

The problem with both the above breeds is their image - they are too often bought by idiots as a status symbol and aren't trained or socialised properly, with the result that they develop behavioural issues and end up hurting people. Funnily enough it's these same homes in which children get hurt - usually because not only hasn't the dog been socialised, but the parents seem to think it's OK to leave dogs and children alone together. These situations are the ones the media have a party over, and give the dogs such bad reputations.

I have dealt with both the above breeds frequently and can honestly say I have had less dealings with problematic dogs of these breeds than I have had issues with Labradors. Of the top 5 most aggressive individuals I know, 3 are Labs, one is a Collie and one is a Jack Russell. I've met one nasty Rottweiler (in several years), and I've never yet had a problem with a Staffy. In fact, for a family with younger children I would wholeheartedly recommend they take on a Staffy (known as the nanny dog for their mild temperament) before they take on a Lab.

It's high time ignorance like yours was put right - we must not blame dogs for our mistakes as humans. No dog bites for fun, they bite because they've been put in an unnatural situation and its owners have not taught it how to deal with it, or taught their children how to deal with dogs.

thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth

seven-day-weekend

However, if one of these dogs does turn bad, for whatever reason, they are too strong to do anything about.

A bull terrier attacked my friends dog who was just sitting undert the table minding her own business and it took four grown men to pull it away.

Eels100

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

However, if one of these dogs does turn bad, for whatever reason, they are too strong to do anything about.

A bull terrier attacked my friends dog who was just sitting undert the table minding her own business and it took four grown men to pull it away.

Well it didn't matter that the Westie that bit my friend's child weighed 7kg - my friend still needed treatment after removing it and her daughter needed plastic surgery.

If we followed your words of wisdom we should ban big dogs - are you suggesting we prevent people with kids from owning Labradors, Springers, Dalmations, Golder Retrievers, St Bernards etc, because 'if they bite' they're hard to remove? How about teaching both dogs and kids to behave correctly around each other, instead of just expecting canines to be born knowing how our society works? They're dogs, not people in furry coats.

If people want to be really responsible parents they need to teach their children about risks and dangers and how to avoid or deal with them.

katiesmummy

Eels100 wrote: »

Well it didn't matter that the Westie that bit my friend's child weighed 7kg - my friend still needed treatment after removing it and her daughter needed plastic surgery.

If we followed your words of wisdom we should ban big dogs - are you suggesting we prevent people with kids from owning Labradors, Springers, Dalmations, Golder Retrievers, St Bernards etc, because 'if they bite' they're hard to remove? How about teaching both dogs and kids to behave correctly around each other, instead of just expecting canines to be born knowing how our society works? They're dogs, not people in furry coats.

If people want to be really responsible parents they need to teach their children about risks and dangers and how to avoid or deal with them.

i totally agree with you on this one. my parents taught me from a young age about dealing with dogs, and as my daughter has always been around dogs she knows what/ what not to do. dogs have to be taught what to do the same as a child needs to be potty trained/ taught to read. if a dog is trained and brought up properly there is no reason why it should turn nasty for no reason

flutterfairy

Eels100 wrote: »

OK I could tolerate you until this comment!

You're the sort of person who walks past perfectly responsible owners with their well-behaved dogs under control and tuts at them for owning Staffies, aren't you? Have you ever owned either of the above breeds? Do you know anything more about these breeds than what the media has fed you? Do you work with various breeds of dogs? Have you experience of dealing with dog vs human conflict situations?

The problem with both the above breeds is their image - they are too often bought by idiots as a status symbol and aren't trained or socialised properly, with the result that they develop behavioural issues and end up hurting people. Funnily enough it's these same homes in which children get hurt - usually because not only hasn't the dog been socialised, but the parents seem to think it's OK to leave dogs and children alone together. These situations are the ones the media have a party over, and give the dogs such bad reputations.

I have dealt with both the above breeds frequently and can honestly say I have had less dealings with problematic dogs of these breeds than I have had issues with Labradors. Of the top 5 most aggressive individuals I know, 3 are Labs, one is a Collie and one is a Jack Russell. I've met one nasty Rottweiler (in several years), and I've never yet had a problem with a Staffy. In fact, for a family with younger children I would wholeheartedly recommend they take on a Staffy (known as the nanny dog for their mild temperament) before they take on a Lab.

It's high time ignorance like yours was put right - we must not blame dogs for our mistakes as humans. No dog bites for fun, they bite because they've been put in an unnatural situation and its owners have not taught it how to deal with it, or taught their children how to deal with dogs.

Even though this was not aimed at me I hve to say I do not know a single person that would do that! The point is that some idiot answered the thread with a holier than thou attitude about the OP. Nobody likes to see anybody getting accused over asking for simple advice, and giving an opinion does not have to resort to being snotty to an innocent thread starter. What an overly opinonated better than everybody else person with nothing better to do than to make other people feel like crud. I hope the person who made the comment (hay) comes back andand explains him/herself.

flutterfairy

katiesmummy wrote: »

i totally agree with you on this one. my parents taught me from a young age about dealing with dogs, and as my daughter has always been around dogs she knows what/ what not to do. dogs have to be taught what to do the same as a child needs to be potty trained/ taught to read. if a dog is trained and brought up properly there is no reason why it should turn nasty for no reason

Not everybody is taught about dogs and this should not prevent people owning a dog. There is no owners manual when parents have a baby and its a learn as you go through it scenario. Despite owners thinking they know everything about their dogs they simply cannot predict that a dog will not turn nasty for no reason.

flutterfairy

Oh and to that person that made the crappy remark to the OP. If your dog snapped your child enough to hurt just once what would you do? I would bet money that it would be bye bye doggy just like you said to the OP. If not then shame on you.