Non-UK license holder summoned by court for a mobile phone offence

sarahg1969

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I've ridden a motorcycle after taking magic mushrooms. No one died. I can only assume using the road after taking drugs is perfectly safe.
Is it your lorry that keeps wandering onto the hard shoulder ?

I think the point wasn't that everyone can do it, but that some people can. If no one could, then everyone would have an incident when they tried. So it stands to reason that some people can drive and use a mobile phone safely (just as the police can safely use their devices while driving).

adouglasmhor

Hammyman wrote: »

I've used a mobile phone and also 2 way radio whilst driving. I've done 1.8 million miles accident free. That is the equivalent to someone who passes their test at age 17 and drives 12,000 miles a year accident free until they are 167 years old. In short, I've driven roughly the equivalent mileage of two lifetimes of an average motorist both points and accident free.

And as you don't see carnage on every road all the time, I am correct.

I can only assume you don't understand the way probabilities work.

You are like someone who says cigarettes don't kill you my granddad smoked and lived to be 90 odds.

sarahg1969

adouglasmhor wrote: »

I can only assume you don't understand the way probabilities work.

You are like someone who says cigarettes don't kill you my granddad smoked and lived to be 90 odds.

I'd flip that. Saying that no one can drive while using a mobile phone is like saying that cigarettes kill everyone who smoke them. The fact is that cigarettes don't kill everyone. Similarly, some people can drive safely while using a phone.

Hammyman isn't saying that everyone can use phones safely (which would be similar to "cigarettes don't kill"), but that some people can.

Doesn't mean they should be allowed to, of course.

adouglasmhor

sarahg1969 wrote: »

I'd flip that. Saying that no one can drive while using a mobile phone is like saying that cigarettes kill everyone who smoke them. The fact is that cigarettes don't kill everyone. Similarly, some people can drive safely while using a phone.

Hammyman isn't saying that everyone can use phones safely (which would be similar to "cigarettes don't kill"), but that some people can.

Doesn't mean they should be allowed to, of course.

You don't either

Read what I posted.

Look up the definition of probability.

Hammyman

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

So in the last 10 years, probably 280 plus people dead sacrificed to the alter of the mobile phone - and undoubtedly more as for part of that 10 years it was legal to use them.

Less actually as the numbers for the previous year were lower and widespread mobile phone ownership is a fairly new phenomenon.

I do agree with most of what you say about speeding, but nothing about what you say on using mobiles whilst driving. It is as dangerous as drink driving, and should have the same penalties.

We need a Government that has the ba**s to make it so.

Like speeding, how dangerous it is depends on the circumstances. A lot of mine was done in the wee hours trundling up the A1 usually the only vehicle in sight yakking to workmates who were on similar runs in similar circumstances. It is completely different to doing it in traffic on the same road or doing it whilst driving round town, neither of which I do or have done.

However all my cars for at least the last 6 to 7 years have had bluetooth car stereos fitted which I've used as handsfree. My current car has a Clarion unit with a bluetooth add on module and you can buy cheap Sony CD Radio head units with bluetooth and built in microphones for under £100.

marlot

Laws are usually based on the least competent, but I do see lots of shocking driving from people on their phones.

This is an interesting report: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050656/One-giant-crash-BlackBerry--40-fewer-CAR-crashes-motorists-Middle-East-smartphone-outage.html

adouglasmhor

Hammyman wrote: »

Less actually as the numbers for the previous year were lower and widespread mobile phone ownership is a fairly new phenomenon.


Like speeding, how dangerous it is depends on the circumstances. A lot of mine was done in the wee hours trundling up the A1 usually the only vehicle in sight yakking to workmates who were on similar runs in similar circumstances. It is completely different to doing it in traffic on the same road or doing it whilst driving round town, neither of which I do or have done.

However all my cars for at least the last 6 to 7 years have had bluetooth car stereos fitted which I've used as handsfree. My current car has a Clarion unit with a bluetooth add on module and you can buy cheap Sony CD Radio head units with bluetooth and built in microphones for under £100.

I used to drive about at night using my CB in the early 80s. Later I would drive while using a push to talk radio on multiple nets as a signalman in the army. I don't know what the stats for accidents caused by these were but it was a much smaller section of the community.
I got a generic bluetooth headset for under £20 and it works fine.

bigjl.

HappyMJ wrote: »

It must be dealt with in court. Be careful they can also charge you with "LC20-Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence". That's another 3 points. Your insurance may have been invalid so that's "IN10-Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks". That's 6 points. As well as the 3 for the "CU80-Using a mobile while driving a motor vehicle" means you may just be disqualified.

No it's not!

There is only one offence.

George_Michael

Hammyman wrote: »

I've driven roughly the equivalent mileage of two lifetimes of an average motorist both points and accident free.

And as you don't see carnage on every road all the time, I can only assume I am correct.

Oh really.
How can you assume that you are correct when you can't even remember how many points that you've been given for motoring offences.

Absolute utter rubbish. I did over 100,000 miles a year and as high as 150,000 some yeats as a lorry driver driving all over the UK and never got any points. I have done in excess of 1.8 million miles without any points. The last few years I've not done as much mileage but am still doing over 17k a year. I've only ever had 3 points on my licence since I got my provisional 23 years ago.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=46262607&postcount=9

Jeff_Bridges_hair

Hammyman wrote: »

However all my cars for at least the last 6 to 7 years have had bluetooth car stereos fitted which I've used as handsfree. My current car has a Clarion unit with a bluetooth add on module and you can buy cheap Sony CD Radio head units with bluetooth and built in microphones for under £100.

Do you still manage to get from Reading to Hull 4 hours quicker then by train then?

You come across as the font of all motoring knowledge yet you refuse to answer me.