Which way around should it be?

dirtysexymonkey

milliebear00001 wrote: »

How do you get around the requirement for a daily act of worship?!

does that still go on? still obviously christians still feel the need to try and convert children!

dirtysexymonkey

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I wasn't privy to the reason the date was chosen but I acknowledge that it is time of year when people need something to brighten their days. However the original pagan festival was the winter solstice which is not the 25th but the 21st of december.

I am not a member of a cult and have not told anyone to choose a different date rather to celebrate Jesus' birth on the 25th and the solstice on the 21st.

How that is unloving I don't know.

its the 21st now but as youve had explained to you it wasnt always thanks to calendar changes and the movement of the earth.

christianity is a cult - deal with it. theres no difference between an organised religion and a cult.

as for you not telling people to choose a different date -

Torry_Quine wrote: »

If you want to celebrate a pagan festival no-one least of all me is stopping you. The problem is when people celebrate at Christmas but take out the Christian aspect. Have your celebration on a different day, not Christmas.

claire16c

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I wasn't privy to the reason the date was chosen but I acknowledge that it is time of year when people need something to brighten their days. However the original pagan festival was the winter solstice which is not the 25th but the 21st of december.

I am not a member of a cult and have not told anyone to choose a different date rather to celebrate Jesus' birth on the 25th and the solstice on the 21st.

How that is unloving I don't know.

I guess the issue though is that if you are not a Christian then the whole Jesus' birthday thing doesnt mean anything. Therefore why would you celebrate it?

As much as you might want them to acknowledge it (and I think lots of people do lots of charitable things at xmas whether they are religious or not), although they might know that thats the reasoning behind it, it doesnt mean that they either believe it happened or, that Jesus was anyone of any importance even if they do.

It would be like someone telling you to acknowledge Eid, or some other religious day. Its not really important to someone if they are not of that religion.

milliebear00001

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Eh?
Are you reading the same post I am?

Post 178 - the poster links her reply to why the TV media ignore Christian broadcasting, to a news report announcing the appointment of a Muslim to the position of Head of religious broadcasting, suggesting that may be the reason.

claire16c

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Another thought is that the media and TV in particular virtually ignores the Christian aspect of the day.

Well the GOD channel is on 24/7 so you could always watch that.

milliebear00001

balletshoes wrote: »

I've never heard of that milliebear - I'm sure my DD's school doesn't have anything like that. How does that work in schools where there are lots of practising faiths, and lots of non-practising children (and teaching staff)?

Assemblies at my DD's school are led by the staff, they are not religious, and its a chance for a class in the school to show the rest of the school what they've been learning about. No prayers or hymns, nothing like that.

Unless the school is breaking the law, then there will be an act of collective worship which must be broadly Christian in nature.

It is a statutory requirement unless you apply for a special exemption (usually because the intake is overwhelmingly of another faith).

Torry_Quine

dirtysexymonkey wrote: »

its the 21st now but as youve had explained to you it wasnt always thanks to calendar changes and the movement of the earth.

christianity is a cult - deal with it. theres no difference between an organised religion and a cult.

as for you not telling people to choose a different date -

I will not as you say 'deal with it', there is a huge difference between a cult and Christianity. Even if the solstice were on the 25th in the past it isn't now so they shouldn't cross over.

claire16c wrote: »

I guess the issue though is that if you are not a Christian then the whole Jesus' birthday thing doesnt mean anything. Therefore why would you celebrate it?

As much as you might want them to acknowledge it (and I think lots of people do lots of charitable things at xmas whether they are religious or not), although they might know that thats the reasoning behind it, it doesnt mean that they either believe it happened or, that Jesus was anyone of any importance even if they do.

It would be like someone telling you to acknowledge Eid, or some other religious day. Its not really important to someone if they are not of that religion.

The difference is I don't know of people marking Eid who aren't of the muslim faith and it certainly hasn't become an excuse for an all out party.

Torry_Quine

claire16c wrote: »

Well the GOD channel is on 24/7 so you could always watch that.

If you're willing to pay for satellite or cable I presume as I certainly haven't seen it.

milliebear00001

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I will not as you say 'deal with it', there is a huge difference between a cult and Christianity. Even if the solstice were on the 25th in the past it isn't now so they shouldn't cross over.



The difference is I don't know of people marking Eid who aren't of the muslim faith and it certainly hasn't become an excuse for an all out party.

Don't know how many Muslims you know, but where I come from Eid is a MASSIVE party! Lots of great food, family and friends around, new clothes and presents (including money very often), all topped off with the teenage boys driving round he streets tooting their horns until the early hours! Not that dissimilar to Christmas/New Year actually.

My school made Eid cards last year (although we are non-religious) and many non-faith or Christian schools routinely celebrate Diwali etc these days too.

dirtysexymonkey

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I will not as you say 'deal with it', there is a huge difference between a cult and Christianity. Even if the solstice were on the 25th in the past it isn't now so they shouldn't cross over.



The difference is I don't know of people marking Eid who aren't of the muslim faith and it certainly hasn't become an excuse for an all out party.

jesus's alleged birth isnt on the 25th, its weeks away so if anyone should change its you and your little cult. you dont really have much option other than to change or shut up moaning about other people. no one else will change their christmas celebrations for a minority cult like yours.;)

eid is a huge party! you should try and live outside of your own cult.