Work Experience while on Jobseekers Allowance (WORK PROGRAMME)

dark_lady

Caroline_a wrote: »

Totally agree with SarEl and saintjammy here. Darklady you come across as very bitter about your employment and unemployment experience, but also seem unwilling to accept that some people really don't want to work.

I've actually had it said to me on quite a few occasions 'why should I work?' So would you consider someone with this attitude workshy, or just hard done by? One could argue that they are paid too much benefit maybe. I have every sympathy with people who are trying to get work and through no fault of their own are having no success, but I do know that there is a section of the population who are on benefits yet working on the side, doing booze runs across the Channel and selling their purchases, and playing the game with the JobCentres and the advisors.

Maybe not workshy, but certainly legal-employment-shy!

Is it any wonder that im bitter after what happened while trying to care for my husband.
By the way my unemployment experiences with these schemes have been horrific.
But not all my employment experiences have been so.
I was treated with more respect in the sex industry than i have been in any other job or work placement or "training course"

By the way your comment about people being paid too much benefit would hold more water if there hadnt been a report on the news today about people who have died because they are in fuel poverty and cant afford to put their heating on!

imatt

By the way your comment about people being paid too much benefit would hold more water if there hadnt been a report on the news today about people who have died because they are in fuel poverty and cant afford to put their heating on

Sadly, this affects many IN WORK too! The problem is not benefits are too generous but rather the earning power of many is being eroded every day. Leading to the decimation of many a high street and profit warnings at the likes of Argos, PC World and Currys. Which in turn leads to further job losses.

Many are finding themselves in a tricky situation. They can't afford to stop working as such but are finding it increasingly difficut to work wht with the increase in transport costs, both private and public. Sorry to digress a little.

Caroline_a

dark_lady wrote: »

Is it any wonder that im bitter after what happened while trying to care for my husband.
By the way my unemployment experiences with these schemes have been horrific.
But not all my employment experiences have been so.
I was treated with more respect in the sex industry than i have been in any other job or work placement or "training course"

By the way your comment about people being paid too much benefit would hold more water if there hadnt been a report on the news today about people who have died because they are in fuel poverty and cant afford to put their heating on!

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said in my post that people had told me that they had no reason to work - the longer version of this was 'why should I work, when I can get money from the dole and everything paid, plus spending money from the black market'. If people have no financial reason to work, then they won't.

Strange how your work in the sex industry gave you more respect. Personally I'd rather clean toilets and sweep roads.

dark_lady

imatt wrote: »

Sadly, this affects many IN WORK too! The problem is not benefits are too generous but rather the earning power of many is being eroded every day. Leading to the decimation of many a high street and profit warnings at the likes of Argos, PC World and Currys. Which in turn leads to further job losses.

Many are finding themselves in a tricky situation. They can't afford to stop working as such but are finding it increasingly difficut to work wht with the increase in transport costs, both private and public. Sorry to digress a little.

I totally agree. A friend of mine has just started a part time job in a new supermarket here and is very stressed about how shes going to pay for heating amongst other things.

dark_lady

Caroline_a wrote: »

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said in my post that people had told me that they had no reason to work - the longer version of this was 'why should I work, when I can get money from the dole and everything paid, plus spending money from the black market'. If people have no financial reason to work, then they won't.

Strange how your work in the sex industry gave you more respect. Personally I'd rather clean toilets and sweep roads.

They asked your advice about the black market? Sorry but i find that very hard to believe because they know they would be sanctioned.

Looking down on me for working in the sex industry when i had no choice but to take that job or continue to be harassed by New Deal,says much about your attitude to unemployed people. It was the ONLY job being offered to me at that time. It was only talking on the phone. None of the blokes or women who phoned to book a call got to touch me.
After a year in this job i went to Slimming World and lost ten stone. I lost the weight so quickly i got gallbladder disease. VERY PAINFUL. I had an operation and after that was fine but they dismissed me for being off ill but did give me redundancy pay. A month later i secured a job at Boxclever where my boss (shock horror) was actually prepared to give me on the job training herself. My confidence grew greatly in this job.
But if i had NOT taken the sex chatline job which was nights i wouldnt have had the money to go to Slimming World and change my life which led to the Boxclever job. My boss at Boxclever thought that if i had the determination to lose ten stone then i could do anything,and with her proper on the job training,she was proved right.
But the person who set these wheels in motion was me,not the New Deal provider(s) which at that time was a joint venture in our area between Reed and Pelcombe.

dark_lady

Caroline_a wrote: »

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said in my post that people had told me that they had no reason to work - the longer version of this was 'why should I work, when I can get money from the dole and everything paid, plus spending money from the black market'. If people have no financial reason to work, then they won't.

Strange how your work in the sex industry gave you more respect. Personally I'd rather clean toilets and sweep roads.

I said they TREATED me with more respect. I met some very kind hearted respectful people in that line of work.
You didnt read the post properly and saw what you wanted to see.

dark_lady

Caroline_a wrote: »

Did you actually read what I wrote? I said in my post that people had told me that they had no reason to work - the longer version of this was 'why should I work, when I can get money from the dole and everything paid, plus spending money from the black market'. If people have no financial reason to work, then they won't.

Strange how your work in the sex industry gave you more respect. Personally I'd rather clean toilets and sweep roads.

If this post isnt generalizing and stereotyping then i dont know what is!

Caroline_a

dark_lady wrote: »

If this post isnt generalizing and stereotyping then i dont know what is!

Not generalising or sterotyping at all. The quote was actually said to me, and other versions of the same thing repeated, and my statement regarding the sex industry was true. I would rather clean toilets and sweep roads. You appear to think that all comments are about you. They aren't.

imatt

Not generalising or sterotyping at all. The quote was actually said to me, and other versions of the same thing repeated, and my statement regarding the sex industry was true. I would rather clean toilets and sweep roads. You appear to think that all comments are about you. They aren't.

Quite apart from asking "what public toilets? (there is only one public toilet here in Leeds city centre. Most establishments use their own staff), you should be aghast at JobCente + advertising a sex worker vacancy a few years ago:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489964/Job-Centre-seeks-women-strip-8-hour-webcam-performers.html

and:

http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/job-centre-seeks-sex-worker-404210.html

and this oddity:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23509596-job-centre-advertises-for-naked-cleaner-pound10-an-hour-but-only-pound6-if-youre-fully-clothed.do

Funnily enough, Jaqueline Gold of Ann Summers fame (She is the chairwoman I think) took action against the Job Centre (rightly in my view) as they banned vacancies placed by managers of her stores. Whatever one thinks of Ann Summers, this is a totally different proposition to performing in front of a webcam or cleaning for strangers in the nude!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1430238/Sex-toy-stores-in-court-over-Jobcentre-ban.html

Caroline_a

imatt wrote: »

Quite apart from asking "what public toilets? (there is only one public toilet here in Leeds city centre. Most establishments use their own staff), you should be aghast at JobCente + advertising a sex worker vacancy a few years ago:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489964/Job-Centre-seeks-women-strip-8-hour-webcam-performers.html

and:

http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/job-centre-seeks-sex-worker-404210.html

and this oddity:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23509596-job-centre-advertises-for-naked-cleaner-pound10-an-hour-but-only-pound6-if-youre-fully-clothed.do

Funnily enough, Jaqueline Gold of Ann Summers fame (She is the chairwoman I think) took action against the Job Centre (rightly in my view) as they banned vacancies placed by managers of her stores. Whatever one thinks of Ann Summers, this is a totally different proposition to performing in front of a webcam or cleaning for strangers in the nude!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1430238/Sex-toy-stores-in-court-over-Jobcentre-ban.html

Where did I say public toilets? :rotfl:

As far as the not allowing advertising for people working in the sex industry, these are rules laid down by Central Government when I working in the training/employment sector - at the time 'political' vacancies weren't allowed either.

I think with these type of vacancies there tends to be a 'where do you draw the line' argument, hence why it's always a no-no as there are some aspects of the sex industry will shock some people, and not others, so they work on the basis of nothing at all allowed.