Work Experience while on Jobseekers Allowance (WORK PROGRAMME)

dark_lady

saintjammyswine wrote: »

Yes, you're right, that's why rules & policies exist. Sorry I didn't think about carers. The reason I used the examples I did is that I have recent, relevant experience of them coming up. I don't have recent, relevant experience of someone who is a carer coming on one of my projects. Or if they did, it was not declared. Again, happy now?

Sorry if i came across as harsh but what they put me through left a very bad taste in my mouth. I now have no trust in these schemes whatsoever because of past experience.

Caroline_a

Unfortunately that's also the case in employment. I cared for my dad for 4 years before he died; in the last year of his life I was called out of work many time because he had pressed his panic button and fallen. My work were relatively sympathetic, but I had to make up for any time missed as I would expect. A small business might not have been able to accommodate that, and I wouldn't have applied for a job where I couldn't have worked like that.

You have to remember that businesses are not set up for the benefit of their employees, so it isn't realistic for every work placement that potentially could lead to a job be able to accommodate every nuance of the trainee or employee's lives. Some will be better able than others.

saintjammyswine

donnajunkie wrote: »

well again another surprise. they spend all day everyday just being trained? this is a first for me as i have never heard of a placement like this before.
ps i dont know how to multi quote either.

When I say training, it is not sat in a classroom looking blankly at powerpoints!

They are shadowing various areas of the business on different shifts learning all aspects of what they do, some of which is fairly specialist. At the end, they will have certificates in nationally recognised qualifications and a certificate which will list everything they have learnt at the employer. For regular employees, the induction covers over 70 different topics so they are covering quite a lot of the business specifically & the indsutry generally. This employer has bought into it more than any other I have worked with & this is a pilot as it has not happened like this before in this industry, might go national if all goes well, we are half way through at the moment.

donnajunkie

saintjammyswine wrote: »

If you re-read it, it says 8(ish).

well to be within rules it would be 7.5 hours per day. if that is what you meant then it would have been better to say it. otherwise someone would have picked up on the mistake even if i hadnt.

saintjammyswine

donnajunkie wrote: »

well to be within rules it would be 7.5 hours per day. if that is what you meant then it would have been better to say it. otherwise someone would have picked up on the mistake even if i hadnt.

But they dont do 7.5 hrs a day, they do 8 some days and finish earlier on a friday. So there . Mistake? pah.

donnajunkie

saintjammyswine wrote: »

Why rubbish it and talk of fibbing? Everyone involved in this project is happy with it.

i mentioned fibbing because it reminded me of the old new deal were even though the rules only required a minimum of 30 hours the adviser would voluntarily tell employers that they could have people for 40 hours. the employers wouldnt have had a clue if they hadnt been told.
well if people who do it are willing and not pressured then fine.
i just think if its a normal thing to work late you dont expect the work experience person to do it as well. if its normal to work weekends you dont expect the work experience person to do it etc.

tanith

Can someone tell me if they will take into account the hours you would be available for instance if you had to take a small child to school and pick them up? Would they find work experience placements that took that into account.. or maybe pay for childcare if not?

donnajunkie

saintjammyswine wrote: »

But they dont do 7.5 hrs a day, they do 8 some days and finish earlier on a friday. So there . Mistake? pah.

ok so its 3 times 8 hour shifts and one 6 hour shift. or their finish time varies and they always ensure they dont do more than required. either way your 4 times 8 ish hours was misleading.

dark_lady

Caroline_a wrote: »

Unfortunately that's also the case in employment. I cared for my dad for 4 years before he died; in the last year of his life I was called out of work many time because he had pressed his panic button and fallen. My work were relatively sympathetic, but I had to make up for any time missed as I would expect. A small business might not have been able to accommodate that, and I wouldn't have applied for a job where I couldn't have worked like that.

You have to remember that businesses are not set up for the benefit of their employees, so it isn't realistic for every work placement that potentially could lead to a job be able to accommodate every nuance of the trainee or employee's lives. Some will be better able than others.

Bet you didnt have the threat of a wages sanction hanging over you if you couldnt come in though. And before you say "Yes i would lose my wage for that day" its not the same as losing two weeks money which is what would have happened to me had i not left him at home on his own writhing around in pain to keep those !!!!ers happy.

Caroline_a

Of course I did!! I could have lost my job! but why did your husband not have adequate pain relief, surely that's a medical issue, not an employment one?