Tax credits, is this true?

charlieismydarling

I do not believe in "abandoning" people in institutions, but I believe care similar to nursery's should be provided for you to work some hours. The same way I would have to leave a non-disabled child in a nursery. This again would create more jobs.... (see earlier post about TC's) provision must be made for more specialised care. For the economy to prosper long term we need to get people back to work.

Sweet god, Is it possible to be so ignorant and misinformed,

Read what she has written, Her son has multiple disabilities and requires specialised care. You can't leave a child like that in a nursery,

God help us all with attitudes like these,you really don't get it.

Were you born during thatchers reign by any chance?

Really hope for you that your children are healthy and you don't have to rely on others for anything.


Kingfisher, I think you do a fantastic job.

Shakes head in frustration...

Jessikita1983

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

And when should this policy be taken out? 16? 18? Puberty? Obviously, it would have to be compulsory, which means that those such as myself, who happily remain childless, will have to subsidise you, who would wish to breed.

I'm talking private healthcare here. So you wouldn't be paying for anyone elses children. Except a small slither of society who really can't help it, like the disabled.

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

You are taking my comments very narrowly, and extremely personally to your own situation. If you read the rest of my posts you will see I am not referring to genuine cases of hard times. I am referring to people who spend their whole lives on benefits with no intentions ever working, repeatedly churning out kids in order to gain more benefits.

I believe your (ex?) husband should be made to contribute towards your child. Should not be down to the state totally to pay for his kids.

I do not believe in "abandoning" people in institutions, but I believe care similar to nursery's should be provided for you to work some hours. The same way I would have to leave a non-disabled child in a nursery. This again would create more jobs.... (see earlier post about TC's) provision must be made for more specialised care. For the economy to prosper long term we need to get people back to work.

You do not have the right to expect money to care for you own child anymore than I have the right to expect tax credits after I have paid for many others to have them, yet you judge me for expecting as much?

I'm not taking your comments personally, I am speaking up for carers everywhere and just using my own situation to illustrate your comments. At no point have you made any exception for disabled people or their carers. I have read the rest of your posts and find some of them quite offensive to people who have no choice but to rely on benefits.

Incidentally, nurseries do not take in older children. And what about carers of adults? Where do you propose they disabled adults should go so that their carers can work?

Caring for a disabled person is work, it is just not recognised as such.

I agree that more should be done to get people back to work, but I also believe that carers already work for their benefits - and for much longer hours in many cases. I despise people who do not want to work and who try to avoid working, just so that they can sit on their backsides all day. However, I acknowledge that carers are not usually in this category. Nobody asks to be a carer - it is thrust upon us.

All I am saying is that some people, through no fault of their own, cannot work beause of disability or caring for a disabled person. I see the welfare state as a safety net, not a lifestyle choice. I never intended to be a carer - I intended to have a career and to bring up my children in a two parent family. Unfortunately life didn't work out that way for me.

Just to add, I agree that my ex should be made to pay towards his children. After trying to avoid it for four and a half years, the CSA finally slapped a Deduction of Earnings Order on him, so now he pays 20% of his wages for our two boys. I had to badger the CSA to sort out any payment at all, but it took an awfully long time and many telephone calls before that did anything. Our daughter is a hard working taxpayer with two jobs, as well as doing voluntary work.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Not necessarily, a physical disability no problem.

"ADHD" or whatever the made up condition for naughty, lacking discipline kids, it is called YES.

I object to paying carer's allowance for a parent of a child under 5 years old. If you find that personal and offensive so be it. If I stayed at home with my child, I would only get the ordinary benefit. To be paid a seperate benefit to look after your own child when you would be caring for a child that age anyway is taking the welfare state too far.

But you must accept that the cost of care for a disabled child, even under 5, will FAR outweigh any reasonable employment remuneration. We aren't talking about a 5 year old with a bruised toe.

Jessikita1983

charlieismydarling wrote: »

Sweet god, Is it possible to be so ignorant and misinformed,

Read what she has written, Her son has multiple disabilities and requires spedialised care. You can't leave a child like that in a nursey,

God help us all with attitudes like these,you really don't get it.

Were you born during thatchers reign by any chance?

Really hope for you that your children are healthy and you don't have to rely on others for anything.


Kingfisher, I think you do a fantastic job.

Shakes head in frustration...

Just because I disagree with what you say, DOES NOT make me ignorant and misinformed.

God forbid I express an opinion, in a free country that differs to yours! The opinion that many posters keep asking me for depsite the fact I only asked a simple question for the start of my thread.

If you are not interested in knowing my opinions, or are incapable of debating something without taking it completely personally and offensively then I suggest you read no further!

merlin68

I hope your baby is happy and healthy then. I have one disabled dd. It can happen to anyone. Carers allowance is compensation really for not being able to work as many hours. You can earn up to £100 a week and still claim it.
My dd was tube fed for 2 years, what nursery would have the skills to deal with that? None. she is now at a special school.
Someone I went to school with used to take the pee. What happenned to him? oh a very seriously disabled child.

charlieismydarling

Please tell me you do not work in the public sector with your offensive attitude.
Please.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

I'm talking private healthcare here. So you wouldn't be paying for anyone elses children. Except a small slither of society who really can't help it, like the disabled.

You said that the parents of disabled children should have a policy to cover them. Well, no insurance company is going to offer retrospective cover, so the policy will have to be taken out in advance. If you want people to do that, it would have to be compulsory. As such, childless me will have to pay and that wasted payment will subsidise child hungry you when the little one shows his head. Is that any clearer?

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Please re-read. I said i have no problems contributing AFTER they turn 18, previous to this, my opinion is the parents should have a policy to cover them.

When should I have taken out a policy to cover my child's disabilities? At birth? Too late then, as he survived the birth but was already disabled. His first surgery was when he was nine hours old.

Should I have taken out a policy to cover any possible disabilities before his birth? To be honest, when somebody says that they are expecting a baby, they usually mean that they are expecting to have a baby without any congenital problems. Nobody thinks that they are going to give birth to a disabled child, unless there is a history in the family. My son has a number of disabilities that have no familial history or connection, they just happened. Nobody's fault. I have never smoked or taken drugs, I am and always have been teetotal. I was a healthy, slim 29 year old with no history of health problems. It was just one of those things that happens, but that you never expect to happen to you.

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

I'm not taking your comments personally, I am speaking up for carers everywhere and just using my own situation to illustrate your comments. At no point have you made any exception for disabled people or their carers. I have read the rest of your posts and find some of them quite offensive, unfortunately there is nothing i can do about that, to people who have no choice but to rely on benefits.

Incidentally, nurseries do not take in older children. And what about carers of adults? Where do you propose they disabled adults should go so that their carers can work? the same place children go when the parents have to work. Just obviously a place appropriate.

Caring for a disabled person is work, it is just not recognised as such. caring for your own child that is under 5, when you should be caring for a child of that age ANYWAY I do not agree is work.

I agree that more should be done to get people back to work, but I also believe that carers already work for their benefits - and for much longer hours in many cases. I despise people who do not want to work and who try to avoid working, just so that they can sit on their backsides all day. However, I acknowledge that carers are not usually in this category. Nobody asks to be a carer - it is thrust upon us.

All I am saying is that some people, through no fault of their own, cannot work beause of disability or caring for a disabled person. I will repeat, I am not generally referring to disabled benefits or the like. I am talking about the people who repeatedly churn out child after child with no intention of ever working, getting everything paid for by the taxpayer. I see the welfare state as a safety net, not a lifestyle choice. Indeed, but for many it is. I never intended to be a carer - I intended to have a career and to bring up my children in a two parent family. Unfortunately life didn't work out that way for me.

Just to add, I agree that my ex should be made to pay towards his children. After trying to avoid it for four and a half years, the CSA finally slapped a Deduction of Earnings Order on him, so now he pays 20% of his wages for our two boys. I had to badger the CSA to sort out any payment at all, but it took an awfully long time and many telephone calls before that did anything. Our daughter is a hard working taxpayer with two jobs, as well as doing voluntary work.

I'm glad you got the CSA situation resolved. Now the parent is paying for their own child, this could be deducted from the state contribution, so he is paying for his own child and not merely topping up state benefits.