Tax credits, is this true?

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

If you are referring to physically disabled people, I have no objections to contributing towards their care through taxes etc once they are 18. And would not mind my tax going towards providing medical care for people in that situation.

And their children, of course.

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

As per my previous opinions, I believe other people do have a choice to work and pay for private insurance, not forgetting that in my rose coloured world, you would be paying less tax.

Any reduction in individual taxation would be more than made up for by the cost of medical insurance, so you will almost certainly be worse off under such a system.

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Clemmatis - What is IB?

I know how you feel. IB was changed just before I became eligible for it, the change cost me thousands. But that is no reason to turn on "welfare claimants".

I did not turn, this has always been my opinion. Again I note your comments about the Netherlands etc. But it still does not change my opinion, I will never agree with the welfare state, ever ever ever.

I do not agree with paying certain individuals to keep reproducing, with no intention of ever working. these children very often continue the cycle and then it just carries on.

I feel we will never stop this cycle until we cut the welfare state.

Yes, we all hit hard times and for that anyone has my sympathies. I would like to a cap on benefits of 5 years in anyone's working life (5 years for 2 reasons, 1 it is now 10% of most people's working life (basing on retirement age of 68 and starting work at 18), and two if you do have an unexpected pregnancy it is long enough for your child to start school.

I feel an allowance of 10% is more than fair.[/QUOTE]

My son is now 13 years old - I did go back to work briefly after his birth, albeit part time, but the amount of care he needs, including night time care, meant that I couldn't get childcare for him while I worked. I was also shattered all the time (and still am ). I haven't worked for almost twelve years and I have been on benefits for six of those years after my marriage broke down. I would love to be able to return to work, but who would look after my son then? There are few childminders who would even consider him, as he needs so much care. Nobody wants a child who might stop breathing, as my son did a few weeks ago.

What employer would allow the amount of time I would need for appointments? Last week my son had another operation, and whilst it will relieve some of his symptoms for a while, it will not cure him of any of his disabilities. Today he has had an audiology appointment and tomorrow he has an emergency appointment with ENT. Then there are appointments with physio, speech therapy, ophthalmologist, podiatry, consultants at two different hospitals (including my son's surgeon), dietician....... Who would give me time off for all of these appointments?

As for the NHS, well, you are obviously entitled to your views, but I am so grateful for this wonderful service. OK, so it isn't perfect, but without it, my son would not be here.

My son is never likely to contribute anything of monetary value to society, but he didn't ask to be born with his disabilities. I didn't ask for that either. It just happened. It could happen to anyone. None of his conditions are passed on through families, so no one could predict his disabilities.

I hope that my son's contribution to society is to promote understanding of disability and to make people laugh, as he already does. He was in a mainstream primary school (with support) and many of the children there still greet him in the street and the supermarket three years on. Those children have learned that people are different in many ways and that some people cannot do the same things as they can. They have learned compassion and understanding. They have learned that my son has a great sense of humour, despite his many problems. They have learned that disability isn't something to be afraid of.

I have learned that there are many people in this world who show empathy and understanding towards disabled people. and that there are many who don't.

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

I do not agree with paying people benefits at all
Well thank goodness that we do have a welfare state that pays benefits - otherwise where would it leave people like me and my family? The days of disabled people being abandoned in institutions are hopefully long gone. If benefits were not available, how would I feed and clothe my children? I agree that there are too many people claiming benefits when they shouldn't, but there are many people int his country who have no choice. I sincerely hope that when you have a family, you don't give birth to a severely disabled child and then watch your husband walk away with another woman, forcing you to claim benefits. Believe me, it isn't a pleasant situation to be in!

All I see around me is laziness being rewarded, the more you chose to help yourself and be a decent person (despite what you may think) you get nothing as I feel is in my case.
Being a carer for a disabled person is not an easy option - carers are not lazy. We save the state billions of pounds a year, yet carer's Allowance is only £55.55 a week, for which you have to care for somebody with significant care needs for a minimum of 35 hours a week. Many carers, myself included, care for somebody both day and night, and in excess of a hundred hours a week - hardly lazy!

I do not now nor will I ever believe in a welfare state.
Comments as my first paragraph.

You are taking my comments very narrowly, and extremely personally to your own situation. If you read the rest of my posts you will see I am not referring to genuine cases of hard times. I am referring to people who spend their whole lives on benefits with no intentions ever working, repeatedly churning out kids in order to gain more benefits.

I believe your (ex?) husband should be made to contribute towards your child. Should not be down to the state totally to pay for his kids.

I do not believe in "abandoning" people in institutions, but I believe care similar to nursery's should be provided for you to work some hours. The same way I would have to leave a non-disabled child in a nursery. This again would create more jobs.... (see earlier post about TC's) provision must be made for more specialised care. For the economy to prosper long term we need to get people back to work.

You do not have the right to expect money to care for you own child anymore than I have the right to expect tax credits after I have paid for many others to have them, yet you judge me for expecting as much?

kingfisherblue

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

If you are referring to physically disabled people, I have no objections to contributing towards their care through taxes etc once they are 18. And would not mind my tax going towards providing medical care for people in that situation.

As per my previous opinions, I believe other people do have a choice to work and pay for private insurance, not forgetting that in my rose coloured world, you would be paying less tax.

Do you object to contributing towards the care of people who have learning difficulties or mental health problems after the age of 18? Do you object to contributing towards children with disabilities?

There but for the grace of God.......

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Do you object to contributing towards the care of people who have learning difficulties or mental health problems after the age of 18? Do you object to contributing towards children with disabilities?

There but for the grace of God.......

Please re-read. I said i have no problems contributing AFTER they turn 18, previous to this, my opinion is the parents should have a policy to cover them.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

I do not believe in "abandoning" people in institutions, but I believe care similar to nursery's should be provided for you to work some hours. The same way I would have to leave a non-disabled child in a nursery. This again would create more jobs.... (see earlier post about TC's) provision must be made for more specialised care. For the economy to prosper long term we need to get people back to work.

Then would it not make more economic, social and moral sense for YOU to look after YOUR child, and let the nursery staff do YOUR job while you are busy.

It certainly would in the case of a severely disabled child. The chance of funding the cost of that kind of specialised care through regular employment is very slim.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Please re-read. I said i have no problems contributing AFTER they turn 18, previous to this, my opinion is the parents should have a policy to cover them.

And when should this policy be taken out? 16? 18? Puberty? Obviously, it would have to be compulsory, which means that those such as myself, who happily remain childless, will have to subsidise you, who would wish to breed.

System

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Please re-read. I said i have no problems contributing AFTER they turn 18, previous to this, my opinion is the parents should have a policy to cover them.

so you disagree with DLA to cover extra costs arising from the child being disabled?

Jessikita1983

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Do you object to contributing towards the care of people who have learning difficulties or mental health problems after the age of 18? Do you object to contributing towards children with disabilities?

There but for the grace of God.......

Not necessarily, a physical disability no problem.

"ADHD" or whatever the made up condition for naughty, lacking discipline kids, it is called YES.

I object to paying carer's allowance for a parent of a child under 5 years old. If you find that personal and offensive so be it. If I stayed at home with my child, I would only get the ordinary benefit. To be paid a seperate benefit to look after your own child when you would be caring for a child that age anyway is taking the welfare state too far.

Jessikita1983

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

so you disagree with DLA to cover extra costs arising from the child being disabled?

I was talking specifically about the NHS provision of my posts.