The Benefits System

ILW

jamespir wrote: »

you been reading the mail again

How much would never emplyed family with 4 children living in rented accomodation in London get in benefits?

I would suggest at least £30k and probably more.

Would you dispute that?

zagfles

jamespir wrote: »

are they it seems like they are trying to screw everyone again

Yeah you stick with that. Don't bother with anything deeper, "it's the Tories so they must be trying to screw us" will do. No further thought needed.

zagfles

ILW wrote: »

How much would never emplyed family with 4 children living in rented accomodation in London get in benefits?

I would suggest at least £30k and probably more.

Would you dispute that?

Sounds about right. You'd need to earn around £40k to take home the same.

hallmark

ILW wrote: »

How much would never emplyed family with 4 children living in rented accomodation in London get in benefits?

I would suggest at least £30k and probably more.

Would you dispute that?

You'd be correct. The treasury's own study showed that there are three-quarters of a million people getting more than £20K a year in benefits. The current cap is £1800 a WEEK.

Clever bit of spin calling them benefits incidentally, since they're emphatically NOT a benefit to the majority of the population who work to pay for them. Personally I'd like to see them renamed to something more appropriate like detriments.

jamespir

ILW wrote: »

How much would an unemplyed family with 4 children living in rented accomodation in London get in benefits?

I would suggest at least £30k and probably more.

Would you dispute that?

really ?

so 67.00 a week x2 = 134 x 52 = 6968

17 pounds cb x52 =884 x 4 if all kids get it =3536
= 10504 a year
ok youl say hb too
so
700x 12 =8400
total = 18904
/52 = 363 quid a week which ok is a fair amount more than i take home after tax each week

ILW

zagfles wrote: »

Sounds about right. You'd need to earn around £40k to take home the same.

Which is more than the vast majority earn. It does seem very unfair on those that try to act responsibly.

jamespir

zagfles wrote: »

Yeah you stick with that. Don't bother with anything deeper, "it's the Tories so they must be trying to screw us" will do. No further thought needed.

labour screwed us as well how does that fit into your assumption

heathcote123

jamespir wrote: »

really ?

so 67.00 a week x2 = 134 x 52 = 6968

17 pounds cb x52 =884 x 4 if all kids get it =3536
= 10504 a year
ok youl say hb too
so
700x 12 =8400
total = 18904
/52 = 363 quid a week which ok is a fair amount more than i take home after tax each week

£700 a month for a 3 or 4 bed house in LondoN?

ILW

jamespir wrote: »

really ?

so 67.00 a week x2 = 134 x 52 = 6968

17 pounds cb x52 =884 x 4 if all kids get it =3536
= 10504 a year
ok youl say hb too
so
700x 12 =8400
total = 18904
/52 = 363 quid a week which ok is a fair amount more than i take home after tax each week

And you think that is right? Maybe the Daily Mail have a point occasionally.

A system that actually encourages irresponsibility and unfairness should be either dropped or reformed.

PS you can probably double the HB figure of a 3 or 4 bed in London

heathcote123

pqrdef wrote: »

Not advisable to issue paperwork if you don't want to declare your earnings for tax. Danny Alexander is taking on an army of extra tax collectors, and they'll go for the easy targets. No point in taking on accountants who're cleverer than they are. But results will have to be produced, so expect an onslaught on the black economy.

Sorry, what exactly was the point you were trying to make?