The Benefits System

zagfles

jamespir wrote: »

its ok it seems some on here have their blinkers on and only go by the propaganda realeased from the mail and the net and a bit like mps have never actually been unemployed and would be completly !!!!!!ed if they were because they are so out of touch with reality

That's right, it all mail propaganda, there really is no hope whatsoever if you're unemployed, everyone is out to screw you, you may as well give up and spend your life posting self pitying messages on internet forums.

Graham_Devon

jamespir wrote: »

is tax credit technically a benefit though ?

Of course its a benefit.

You don't even need to pay tax to get the tax credits!

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

So far you have just come up with reasons of why not to try.

I've objected to the idea that everybody can do it, on the grounds that the black economy can't absorb two million unemployed.

Though actually I do think car-washing is a non-starter, because my local valeting centre will do it for a fiver. Much quicker with a bit of technology. I don't see how bucket and sponge man can compete and make a living. Start with a van and some heavy-duty kit, maybe. But that's where we came in.

jamespir

zagfles wrote: »

That's right, it all mail propaganda, there really is no hope whatsoever if you're unemployed, everyone is out to screw you, you may as well give up and spend your life posting self pitying messages on internet forums.

what is your problem ?

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

Many depressed areas have beter areas within walking distance

You win tonight's star prize for total cluelessness.

pqrdef

heathcote123 wrote: »

It's generally known as capitalism, and believe it or not, people have been doing it succesfully for thousands of years.

Only the ones with capital. Historically, social mobility has generally been pretty much negligible. The mass of the population, typically about 90%, were manual labourers, either slaves or in some form of contractual servitude or hired by the day, with almost no chance of doing anything about it.

Even 50 years ago, a large majority of the population didn't even have a current account at a bank.

Xiderpunk

pqrdef wrote: »

I've objected to the idea that everybody can do it, on the grounds that the black economy can't absorb two million unemployed.

Though actually I do think car-washing is a non-starter, because my local valeting centre will do it for a fiver. Much quicker with a bit of technology. I don't see how bucket and sponge man can compete and make a living. Start with a van and some heavy-duty kit, maybe. But that's where we came in.

There you go again with this black economy nonsense.

You want the answer to people that live in a depressed area, have no skills, no ambition, no talents, no transport. They get given food and donations for the rest of their miserable lives that is the end of it. I don't give a damn about them, know why? Because they have lived in a prosperous country where EVERYBODY has had every opportunity to get an education, learn skills, get a job and become wealthy. If they have successfully managed to avoid all those things then that is by THEIR choice, they have made their bed and they can lie in it.

You mention earlier that you want to shoot down silly ideas, I agree completely, silly ideas do need shooting down. Yet not one of your posts does that! You have made false assertions, again and again repeated this ridiculous idea that the black economy is a major issue against starting to stand on your own two feet.

Do the math, we can not as a nation continue to be paying MORE in the welfare system than we take in tax total. Which does not even start with paying for the MOD, for the Fire/Police/Rescue, NHS etc etc.. Should we raise yet more taxes on the hard working to continue to subsidize people that do not and by their own rejection of opportunity, can not stand on their own feet?

If things do not change the whole system will collapse sooner or later. Look up sustainability in the dictionary.

ILW

pqrdef wrote: »

I've objected to the idea that everybody can do it, on the grounds that the black economy can't absorb two million unemployed.

Though actually I do think car-washing is a non-starter, because my local valeting centre will do it for a fiver. Much quicker with a bit of technology. I don't see how bucket and sponge man can compete and make a living. Start with a van and some heavy-duty kit, maybe. But that's where we came in.

There you go again, what about the advantages?

The car is hand washed with less risk of damage.
You do not have to drive to the local carwash. ( Save petrol)
The wheels will be cleaned better.
For an extra payment it can be waxed or T cut.

Do you have anything positive to say about anything or just run down any idea of anyone trying to make something of themself.

PasturesNew

pqrdef wrote: »

I've objected to the idea that everybody can do it, on the grounds that the black economy can't absorb two million unemployed.

Though actually I do think car-washing is a non-starter, because my local valeting centre will do it for a fiver. Much quicker with a bit of technology. I don't see how bucket and sponge man can compete and make a living. Start with a van and some heavy-duty kit, maybe. But that's where we came in.

4 years ago, two young lads got a bit of wood and wrote "car wash" on it and propped it up on their wall .... now they've got good kit, there are about 4-5 of them doing it and there's always a queue.

Of course, they did start off with some advantages:
- time on their hands (they were still at school) to be able to give it a go and if nothing happened they could sit on the wall and chat to their mates until somebody rolled up ... and if nobody did, then no harm done.
- space - parents' house with a huge tarmac driveway, large enough to park 12 cars tightly, so room to be washing 1-2 with 2-3 queuing.
- house was right on a main road into town, probably the most prominent driveway entrance on that road, with thousands and thousands of holidaymakers arriving 4-5x a week with a car still grubby from their 200-300 mile trip to get here

If I'd tried that here, at my house, at the same time, I'd still be sitting on the wall with my mates as there's no room, no driveway, it's not on a main road.

ILW

If the cars won't come to you, go the the cars.