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The Benefits System
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It hasn't been shown that redistribution puts a strain on the economy at all. It just takes the money that people "earn" (whatever that means) and says, let's share this out a different way. This upsets people, but doesn't necessarily harm the economy at all.
It's not "redistribution" that harms the economy, it's lack of incentives to work/work more. The poorest face the highest marginal withdrawal rates, for many it's simply not worth working.Milibland was wrong. It's not only Cameron who believes that the poor work harder if you make them poorer, but the rich work harder if you make them richer. Lots of other people think so too.
Cameron doesn't believe that nor does anyone else with any sense. Saying he believes it is just political propaganda.
Rich or poor, people work harder if they benefit from doing so. Under the current system system the poorest are discouraged from working because they get the least benefit, because they get the most taken off them in loss of benefits, tax credits, plus tax and NI.
The universal credit will improve incentives, but doesn't really go far enough. But at least it's a step in the right direction from 95% "tax" on the poor.0 -
They aren't set up for it, but they could outsource the job to Oxfam.the government can just give the benefit claimants the actual food and clothing."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Would that be affordable? Lovely idea if doable, but I fear not.
If Society is already paying someone a 'wage' of sorts in benefits and getting no tangible return on it, do they not have a right to expect them give back something?
no i mean get them of benefits and give them a job doing that instead of forcing them to work for pittance if you've got the work to do why not employ them properly
and benfits isnt a wage its no where nearReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
no i mean get them of benefits and give them a job doing that instead of forcing them to work for pittance if you've got the work to do why not employ them properly
and benfits isnt a wage its no where near
Just because there is a job that could be done, does not mean that the money is around to pay for it.0 -
Actually it was the Thatcher government that invented the modern ways of disguising mass unemployment - Incapacity Benefit and the various ways of extending school-leavers' "education" indefinitely so they don't have to be counted in the workforce.
Indeed it was, and the current government are trying to do the opposite.
Yet some hypocrites who criticised the policy of getting the unemployed onto disability and now critising this lot for putting it right and doing the opposite!0 -
Just because there is a job that could be done, does not mean that the money is around to pay for it.
exactly thats why this lets get evryone of benefits is flawedReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
Knock out 3 or 4 kids and it is quite a lot more than the majority of peoples wages. Bloody crazy.
you been reading the mail againReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
Indeed it was, and the current government are trying to do the opposite.
Yet some hypocrites who criticised the policy of getting the unemployed onto disability and now critising this lot for putting it right and doing the opposite!
are they it seems like they are trying to screw everyone againReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
Oxfam it is then. Britain - western Europe's very own Third World country.starvation or reliance on charity."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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