Fischer Storage Heaters

Richie-from-the-Boro

woodyrseelectrical wrote: »

We find that Farho heaters are the best ones available as installers and users we monitor our installations using a monitoring system tl prove running costs per heater! But as has been said everything depends on getting the best deal from your energy supplier it is cheaper to heat hot water on off peak (E7) but then storage heaters generally aren't that efficient. Customers have to weigh up the cost of the heaters against running cost/energy savings we generally install lower powered heaters when compared with the likes of fischer, rointe, haverland and elnur.......

Hiya,

Can you explain why "storage heaters generally aren't that efficient" almost 100 per cent of electrical energy converted to heat in both units, that's physics. What is it that they are inefficient compared to ? Farho is no different to any of the others you mention and others you don't mention. However, these new systems don't store heat, so they operate on standard electricity tariffs, without first insulating the property well to a SAP of 'C' or above these non storage low consumption units can and usually do work out more expensive.

In dwellings with a EPC of below 'C' this type of low consumption system is never likely to maintain a night storage day-output °C temperature for the same electricity cost, and will never match that of a gas central heating system. All this without the mention of having the costs of taking out and de-wiring the old system and associated parts and the cost of installing an expensive core-rate tariff water heating system.

Kernel_Sanders

HalloweenJack wrote: »

how much did you pay for your peacock?

Nothing, people (or even companies) can have accounts on here for free

MaryV

It's worth looking at the Advertising Standards Association website. They have made a ruling in April 2013 finding Fischer-Future Heat advertising misleading on the 4 different counts they were asked to investigate.

Cardew

MaryV wrote: »

It's worth looking at the Advertising Standards Association website. They have made a ruling in April 2013 finding Fischer-Future Heat advertising misleading on the 4 different counts they were asked to investigate.

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2013/4/Fischer_Future-Heat-UK/SHP_ADJ_216000.aspx

JayRo

I would like to know why Fischer Future Heat appear to have made MSE delete so much of this thread.

Obviously they don't like the way that it's going, and as someone else pointed out, it's possible they have attempted to defend themselves here already.

Perhaps some posts haven't been particularly fair or constructive, so why don't they step in properly and put forward their side of the story in a positive and business-like way?

I think it's fair to say "we're all ears"

fischer_worker

hi, in reply to questions anyone has, the fischer heaters are more efficient than the standard NSH's because they allow warmth to be used during the day, they have two temperature settings one for night to keep it at a lower temperature and one for the day set normally at 16 and 21 celsius, these are set to allow minimal energy use, imagine heating heating the room from say 10°C in the morning to a warm 18°-20°C the heater would be on longer and use more energy so to remove this the heaters keep themselves at whatever temperatures you see fit to avoid being on for hours on end trying to achieve a comfortable room temp (the thermostats can also be set to work on a routine eg. if you work 9-5), as for the cost it has always baffled me but on return to a customers house I have been simply quite amazed at the sheer difference it has made a person life, if these heaters are coupled with solar panels or even a wind turrbine the savings are what "I" believe massive, the heaters have made a massive difference to peoples lives so dont be afraid to ask about the products available. The teams they have to install your new heaters (should you wish to have them) are polite and well mannered and they will do anything to make the installation as smooth as possible, some lucky people out there will even get the best installers in the company who will go out of there just to help you if you ask or they see something not right, overall as a previous inside eye, the company is good, the installers make the company what they are, they are the front line and will always be smiling . This is all my own opinion by the way, I no longer work for fischer.

Richie-from-the-Boro

fischer_worker wrote: »

hi, in reply to questions anyone has, the fischer heaters are more efficient than the standard NSH's because they allow warmth to be used during the day, they have two temperature settings one for night to keep it at a lower temperature and one for the day set normally at 16 and 21 celsius, these are set to allow minimal energy use, imagine heating heating the room from say 10°C in the morning to a warm 18°-20°C the heater would be on longer and use more energy so to remove this the heaters keep themselves at whatever temperatures you see fit to avoid being on for hours on end trying to achieve a comfortable room temp (the thermostats can also be set to work on a routine eg. if you work 9-5), as for the cost it has always baffled me but on return to a customers house I have been simply quite amazed at the sheer difference it has made a person life, if these heaters are coupled with solar panels or even a wind turrbine the savings are what "I" believe massive, the heaters have made a massive difference to peoples lives so dont be afraid to ask about the products available. The teams they have to install your new heaters (should you wish to have them) are polite and well mannered and they will do anything to make the installation as smooth as possible, some lucky people out there will even get the best installers in the company who will go out of there just to help you if you ask or they see something not right, overall as a previous inside eye, the company is good, the installers make the company what they are, they are the front line and will always be smiling . This is all my own opinion by the way, I no longer work for fischer.

Welcome to MSE, these Fischer branded products along with other similar products in the field are marketed as 'replacement night store' heaters, their marketing describes them as 'storage radiators'

Two Questions

Can you tell the group (Q1) how much storage these heaters have, for example a normal brick storage heater will have 23.5kWh of half price stored heat which it releases over the following 19 daytime hours at the rate of 1.2kWh per hour, so how much heat is the Fischer storage radiator able to store ? The normal brick storage heater runs on an E7 tariff at about half the core rate price (Q2) do Fischer run on the half price E7 tariff & meter or the full price core tariff & meter ?

Essentially I'd like to know if Fischer storage radiators are even storage radiators, thanks for your attention fischer worker

lstar337

fischer_worker wrote: »

hi, in reply to questions anyone has, the fischer heaters are more efficient than the standard NSH's because they allow warmth to be used during the day, they have two temperature settings one for night to keep it at a lower temperature and one for the day set normally at 16 and 21 celsius, these are set to allow minimal energy use, imagine heating heating the room from say 10°C in the morning to a warm 18°-20°C the heater would be on longer and use more energy so to remove this the heaters keep themselves at whatever temperatures you see fit to avoid being on for hours on end trying to achieve a comfortable room temp (the thermostats can also be set to work on a routine eg. if you work 9-5), as for the cost it has always baffled me but on return to a customers house I have been simply quite amazed at the sheer difference it has made a person life, if these heaters are coupled with solar panels or even a wind turrbine the savings are what "I" believe massive, the heaters have made a massive difference to peoples lives so dont be afraid to ask about the products available. The teams they have to install your new heaters (should you wish to have them) are polite and well mannered and they will do anything to make the installation as smooth as possible, some lucky people out there will even get the best installers in the company who will go out of there just to help you if you ask or they see something not right, overall as a previous inside eye, the company is good, the installers make the company what they are, they are the front line and will always be smiling . This is all my own opinion by the way, I no longer work for fischer.

Can you please explain specifically how a Fischer 'storage' heater is more efficient than a £30 thermostatically controlled oil radiator?

Thanks.

BTW, I have no problem with the fitters, I'm sure they are great at their job. I don't see the advantage of the Fischer product though, it offers no more than an oil filled radiator with a timer.

lstar337

somesenseforyou wrote: »

Just a little tip for everyone. After being in the sales business for a while, working for different companies in the offices doing admin, you can tell which companies are good and honest and which are not, by simply comparing what price you are being sold things, and what price someone else (who bought almost the same system) is being sold things. Excluding things like electrical work you may need (like RCD protectors fitted or a new fuse board for safety reasons). Companies that offer a service as well as a product are usually able to give around 5% discount on products unless they have a genuine offer on or unless they are selling you something at a ridiculously inflated price and thus able to offer huge (usually phoney) discounts. This is because most companies must also cover their overheads on their service, and cover the cost of the product also. Which is fine. Now, an easy way to be able to tell if a company is trying to fleece you is if they start off at a very high price, then the price seems to magically plummet when they are pushed (showing they they would sell to you at whatever you were willing to pay). If the company sticks around the same price but can move things around to offer up to around 10% discount then can't move, then that's when you can be guaranteed that the pricing structure is fixed, and not designed to eek out as much money from customers as possible. You should also be able to ask to see a price list of everything you are being quoted for - there should be a fixed price for electrical work and each individual product.

Lots of companies can and do say things in their advertising that isn't true. One heating company actually states that their heaters can "predict the weather" - I'm sure the MET office would like to know about that as my local weatherman still can't seem to predict the weather a day in advance.

Unless there are test results completed by a reputable independent laboratory or organization then these claims should be taken with a pinch of salt. Random figures thrown into advertising like "50% cheaper" is misleading. A good company should be able to talk to you about your needs, asses your home, give you a good and quality service and not pressure you into buying anything in a survey. If you do ever get a survey, you should find it informative and helpful. If you're uncomfortable in any way then you know that the company is probably not for you. A survey is a good indication of what the company will be like to deal with, and what your experience would be like (in my experience).

Anyway, my behind advice is look for independent test results - don't pay attention to outlandish claims - beware of large "discounts" - pay attention to your surveyor - and seek out good, quality service and products.

Not seeking to name any names here but some companies ARE good, genuine, open and really actually interested in their customers being satisfied - and some, are just interested in profits. Intuition and a little research will usually tell you which is which!

Another tip for people.

Avoid companies that refuse to give you prices for their products and insist that you must have a salesperson visit your home.

Fischer, I cant see any prices on your website, just a link for a free home 'survey'.

Luckily for consumers, a Google search for Fischer throws up this MSE thread, followed by a link to the ASA, and then their company website in third position.

lstar337

lstar337 wrote: »

Can you please explain specifically how a Fischer 'storage' heater is more efficient than a £30 thermostatically controlled oil radiator?

Guess not.