Ticket for speeding on motorway

Lum

The OP isn't looking to wriggle out of it. They opted to go on the course and, perhaps foolishly, expected TTC to honour their end of the process after he booked the course, due to incompetence by TTC the OP is now faced with the original fixed penalty, possibly on top of the £85 he paid for the course.

Unfortunately there's not much that can be done now, they could opt to go to court and explain this and ask to be sent on the original course, but chances are this will fall on deaf ears and they will end up paying a higher penalty as a result. As a bare minimum, simply attending court causes a £15 "Victims of crime surcharge" to be tacked on to the original penalty, and the magistrate has the option of raising the fine and points further.

robbies_gal

did they actually say though they booked the course?

when i done mine i chose that option but it wasnt booked until i got confirmation and chose a date

JimmyTheWig

Lum wrote: »

The OP isn't looking to wriggle out of it.

I think you are reading a different OP to me, Lum.

The one I can see describes someone who tried every trick they could think of (asking for proof, checking for the certificate) and when that failed their next tactic was to leave it well alone and hope it got forgotten.
If, when it became apparent to the OP that TTC didn't seem to be contacting him, he did something about it I'm sure all would have been fine.

Lum

There is nothing wrong with checking that the evidence against you is valid. Camera partnerships can, and do, screw up all the time, as is the nature of any bulk data processing system. I would encourage everybody to check the evidence against them is correct and not the result of a misread or cloned numberplate, or a camera that is out of calibration.

sarahg1969

It's not a loophole, the time limits are clearly written into the law.

JimmyTheWig

I'm not saying don't check, Lum, more that the OP was hoping to get out of paying.

I disagree, Sarah. Whether the limits are clearly stated or not, it is pretty clear that the OP broke the spirit of the law. If he gets away with it then I'd call that a loophole.

Paradigm

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

I disagree, Sarah. Whether the limits are clearly stated or not, it is pretty clear that the OP broke the spirit of the law. If he gets away with it then I'd call that a loophole.

But if the authorities don't follow the procedures laid down in law then aren't they themselves guilty of breaking "the spirit of the law"? Are they then guilty of using a loophole?

Surely the law "should" work both ways, not we have to follow it but "they" somehow don't?

Wig

birkee wrote: »

I can't disagree with you, as I don't know the rules, but, I've a weakness for these Police programmes, as the range of humanity I co-exist with fascinates me.

The reason I pose a question is, I'm sure I've heard the Police say to people they've stopped, you can only drive on a foreign licence for 6 months / 12 months.
Something like that anyway
Are there different rules for different circumstances?

That would be proper foriegn licences like an international licence or an Egyptian, Morrocan, Saudi etc licence.

Addition:
Just looked this up.

Community licences issued in exchange for licences from elsewhere

A community licence issued on the strength of a licence from a designated country will be valid for driving in GB for 12 months only and is acceptable for exchange purposes.
A community licence issued on the strength of a licence from a non-designated country will be valid for driving in GB for 12 months only but is not valid for exchange purposes.
A licence from any country outside the EC/EEA, which was originally issued on the basis of a community licence, will be valid for driving in GB for 12 months only and is acceptable for exchange purposes. Evidence of the original EC/EEA entitlement must be provided.

This is just for EU licences which have been exchanged to from licences outside EU. The police would not know just by looking at these licences that they are only valid for 12 months...except the last one as that would be an Egyptian licence etc anyway, so it's obvious just by looking at it that it is not an EU licence.

Wig

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

I am all for exploiting loopholes when something is unfair (e.g. an unfair parking ticket) but in this instance I'm not sure that a loophole is appropriate.

You do exactly the same every day when you exceed the speed limit and don't turn yourself in at the nearest nick.

As said, it's not a loophole, it's the law, if they don't process the file within 6 months there can be no court/fine. Paying an NIP after this date would be as stupid as you turning yourself in to the local nick every time you break the speed limit.

Flyboy152

Wig wrote: »

What was the date of offence?

When did you get the most recent letter, the one in August (date)

How long did it give you to reply/ pay the fine?

You have already replied in writing

You got another reply, when did you recieve the reply? What does it say? Does it mention again to pay the fine and provide a method to do so?

It seems you are almost if not already 'timed out' they cannot persue you for the fine, if you ignore it there is a strong chance you will not be taken to court..... depending on the dates a very strong chance.

This is probably the most irresponsible piece of advice I have read on these boards.

You have absolutley no idea of what dates are involved or what circumstances apply to this event. To advise someone to ignore a NIP, which will land them in even more trouble, is bordering on the criminal.