The Sunday Times today says most public sector workers are getting pay increases

brit1234

Cleaver wrote: »

and I think my police officer friend is still getting incremental payrises.

Not true. Our SPP bonus has gone, our annual pay increase (anti inflation) has been frozen, our experience bonus is frozen. £2500 loss to me.

On top of that:

1. Have to pay now to our travel concessions £200 a year.
2. Pensions gone from RPI to CPI. 15% loss on pension.

Coming in:

1. Increase in pension contributions 12%-14%. £800 a year cost.
2. Final salary to average salary. £10,000 - £20,000 loss a year once retired.
3. End of over time. £3,000-£4,000 a year for me.
4. Then they are expecting to phase out our experience payment and cut general wages on top of that.

I wouldn't trust all what you read in the papers, as we are being hit hard.

ILW

I cannot understand why anybody should get a payrise just for being in a job for another year.

ILW

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

Yep. 1K up in Feb and 4K up in april due to contractural allowance increases. Aint life a b*tch twh?

Other option is, they dont pay me my increase, I leave, got to work in the Middle East, and they have to fork out another £5 million to train a new guy, not to mention the cost of experience.

More to salary than meets the eye mate.

Or alternatively, have sensibly written contracts which say that if someone leaves within a certain period, they have to repay their training costs. Very common in the private sector.

I guess you are a fighter pilot, if not that 5mill is a waste of money.

The_White_Horse

ILW wrote: »

I cannot understand why anybody should get a payrise just for being in a job for another year.

you clearly don't understand public sector thinking. it is easy for them. they just pick some notes off the money tree and off they go.

same job, same drain, same "zero profit" but yet magically, a pay rise simply for being there.

and you wonder why we are f***ed?

sooner or later the real world will understand the simple fact that the public sector are too blame. and then you will see real riots.

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

I cannot understand why anybody should get a payrise just for being in a job for another year.

Nor me. Seems to be what happens in the public sector though.

Completely anecdotal stuff, but had a drink with two friends of mine earlier this week. Both in the private sector. One was saying that he doesn't really have a job anymore but no one seems to notice. Spends most of the day surfing the net and doing work for his part time business (designing apps). The other was promoted to a role around six months ago to manage the team he was in. He also has nothing to do, is bored out of his mind and is looking to do something else to stop him going mad. He sat down with is director who told him, basically, to keep quiet as it would rock the boat to change things.

One is a FTSE 250 company, the other a big company with I would guess around 200 employees. It's stuff like this that makes me smile when I read on here how ruthless the private sector is compared to the public sector.

StevieJ

Oh dear the Sunday Times now reduced to recycling old Torygraph articles haven't we done this one to death?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8717167/Automatic-pay-rises-for-public-sector-staff.html

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3440071

ILW

Cleaver wrote: »

Nor me. Seems to be what happens in the public sector though.

Completely anecdotal stuff, but had a drink with two friends of mine earlier this week. Both in the private sector. One was saying that he doesn't really have a job anymore but no one seems to notice. Spends most of the day surfing the net and doing work for his part time business (designing apps). The other was promoted to a role around six months ago to manage the team he was in. He also has nothing to do, is bored out of his mind and is looking to do something else to stop him going mad. He sat down with is director who told him, basically, to keep quiet as it would rock the boat to change things.

One is a FTSE 250 company, the other a big company with I would guess around 200 employees. It's stuff like this that makes me smile when I read on here how ruthless the private sector is compared to the public sector.

I am not concerned what private companies do with their own money. I am concerned what the public sector do, as it is my money they are doing it with.

lostinrates

it happens outside public sector too...payrises with years service/or post qualification.

In many cases quite sensibly for acquired experience directly relating to ability to perform, and in time supervise and train others.

I think it depends very much what you do for a living how much experience can really improve your performance. In dh's role, I'd say a lot. In mine, well....there is only so much better/faster/more efficient you get at shovelling poop

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

I cannot understand why anybody should get a payrise just for being in a job for another year.

Maybe they should put everyone on the rate for the job (i.e. top of the scale) immediately, should solve the problem, won't do much for the deficit though

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

I am not concerned what private companies do with their own money. I am concerned what the public sector do, as it is my money they are doing it with.

I agree completely. My point was simply that on here there seems to be a view that the private sector are always a sleek, perfect vision of industrious grafting, full of the most producitive, talented and hard-working people you'll ever wish to meet. Which is b*llocks. There's still plenty of people reading this forum and picking their fantasy football teams.

You'd be concerned if you were a shareholder in one of the companies though, right? And if more people in the private sector were productive our country's economy would improve, right? So to play devil's advocate, why aren't you concerned?