The Sunday Times today says most public sector workers are getting pay increases

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

A nurse should be able to justify why they are worth more this year than they were last year.

Well that's technically how the current system is meant to work. The manager sets objectives and goals against a framework and if you achieve them over the 12 months you move up the scale, presumably because you have learned more and become a better nurse. In theory. It doesn't work because, in true public sector style, the whole damn thing is way too complicated. So no one generally bothers and people just waft through their payscale.

ILW

If someone is deemed not to achieved during the year, can they be dropped down a scale or two?

DirtyDick

ILW wrote: »

I cannot understand why anybody should get a payrise just for being in a job for another year.

Because you get a lot of cheap teachers and policemen who start on £21k, but certainly wouldn't remain in the post if they stayed on that. Admittedly they get better with experience, but it's cheap teaching/policing while they progress up the payscale.


I'd ask The Sunday Times why they pay the wages they do. It's as pointless a question as the OP one.

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

If someone is deemed not to achieved during the year, can they be dropped down a scale or two?

Well technically if you're continually not meeting the objectives set on your PDP you can be sacked on the grounds of capability. Again though, this is the public sector, so it doesn't happen very often.

The NHS system, if followed, is fit for purpose. Trouble is that it isn't really followed. The only staff not on it is Doctors and very senior managers, and they get away with even more...

The_White_Horse

it is just a public sector ruse for more money. over paid and under worked. yes, a few work hard, but 90% are wasters for the free ride.

50% pay cuts all round in my opinion.

DirtyDick

Because you get a lot of cheap teachers and policemen who start on £21k, but certainly wouldn't remain in the post if they stayed on that. Admittedly they get better with experience, but it's cheap teaching/policing while they progress up the payscale.

If you started and remained on that sum, you'd not get many (happy) people being productive; just the dregs who'd be !!!!ed off with it.

BTW: It is performance related, by and large; although it's more of a loyalty bonus bringing it up to market levels for professionalism and experience year on year, not justifying why you should get an extra 5-10% increase.


I'd ask The Sunday Times why they pay the wages they do. It's as pointless a question as the OP one.

DirtyDick

The_White_Horse wrote: »

it is just a public sector ruse for more money. over paid and under worked. yes, a few work hard, but 90% are wasters for the free ride.

50% pay cuts all round in my opinion.

Fine. If you don't want schools, police or hospitals, do that. Get more people on JSA.

You're just an unthinking, envious !!!! in my opinion.

ILW

DirtyDick wrote: »

Because you get a lot of cheap teachers and policemen who start on £21k, but certainly wouldn't remain in the post if they stayed on that. Admittedly they get better with experience, but it's cheap teaching/policing while they progress up the payscale.

If you started and remained on that sum, you'd not get many (happy) people being productive; just the dregs who'd be !!!!ed off with it.

BTW: It is performance related, by and large; although it's more of a loyalty bonus bringing it up to market levels for professionalism and experience year on year, not justifying why you should get an extra 5-10% increase.


I'd ask The Sunday Times why they pay the wages they do. It's as pointless a question as the OP one.

There is no reason to pay a "loyalty bonus" to an admin officer when there are tens of thousands of people out of work who are perfectly capable of doing the job and would take it tomorrow if offered.

The_White_Horse

DirtyDick wrote: »

Fine. If you don't want schools, police or hospitals, do that. Get more people on JSA.

You're just an unthinking, envious !!!! in my opinion.

having them on JSA would be far cheaper than what they are currently paid.

not unthinking at all. in fact, quite the opposite. i take it you're a public sector employee. do you ever think where the money comes from to pay you? i mean really?

once, a public sector moron told me he pays tax too. ahahahahahahaa!!!

DirtyDick

ILW wrote: »

There is no reason to pay a "loyalty bonus" to an admin officer when there are tens of thousands of people out of work who are perfectly capable of doing the job and would take it tomorrow if offered.

Possibly true, although a rather vague assertion as I'm not sure about which jobs you are referring; but what about teachers, policemen etc.? Experience is key in these professions and both are, arguably, deliberately paid more of a stipend upon joining than an adequate wage reflecting skills and responsibilities. Hence the loyalty + ability increases.

Pay a police officer £20k throughout and you get a bouncer.

Pay a teacher £20k throughout and you get a child minder.