The Sunday Times today says most public sector workers are getting pay increases

ILW

Cleaver wrote: »

I agree completely. My point was simply that on here there seems to be a view that the private sector are always a sleek, perfect vision of industrious grafting, full of the most producitive, talented and hard-working people you'll ever wish to meet. Which is b*llocks. There's still plenty of people reading this forum and picking their fantasy football teams.

You'd be concerned if you were a shareholder in one of the companies though, right? And if more people in the private sector were productive our country's economy would improve, right? So to play devil's advocate, why aren't you concerned?

As a shareholder I can get rid of my shares, but have to pay for the public sector no matter how bad it is.

Butterfly_Brain

Many Councils.......... ours included have imposed wage cuts not increases

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

As a shareholder I can get rid of my shares, but have to pay for the public sector no matter how bad it is.

True. Ahh well, not a lot we can all do about it really. Privatise it all I guess, but I'm not sure it'd cost any less.

StevieJ

ILW wrote: »

As a shareholder I can get rid of my shares, but have to pay for the public sector no matter how bad it is.

So you would ditch your shares because your workers have had a payrise? Not very practical is it if your pension is wrapped up in managed funds?

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

I cannot understand why anybody should get a payrise just for being in a job for another year.

(1) so they can pay low starting salaries

(2) so when you get promoted, your pay only goes up one increment, and it takes years to get up to the full rate for the job you're now doing

(3) so they save even more money when they switch to career-average pensions

Don't think of an increment as a pay rise for staying around, just think of it as the removal of a pay cut for being new.

ILW

StevieJ wrote: »

So you would ditch your shares because your workers have had a payrise? Not very practical is it if your pension is wrapped up in managed funds?

I would agree with payrises for increased productivity or profits, but not for doing no more than was done the year before.

Guess the problem is that I have spent most of my life in a sales environment where you are only worth your last set of figures. How long you have been there means squat if the new guy comes in and sells more than you do.

abbecer

I work for the NHS. In my Trust our yearly increment is not absolutely guaranteed. If at appraisal your manager identifies that you have not attended training and fulfilled your role you can be refused the increase.

Rebecca

Cleaver

abbecer wrote: »

I work for the NHS. In my Trust our yearly increment is not absolutely guaranteed. If at appraisal your manager identifies that you have not attended training and fulfilled your role you can be refused the increase.

Have you known any instances where someone has being stopped from going up the scale though? The issue is that if just one ward manager puts through a nurse without doing the proper PDR then you have a case that everyone should be put through. In reality we know that probably up to half of people just get put up the scale with little or no control, so even if you did get one manager doing things by the book the person would have a case to say that their colleague was put up with no scrutiny, so why shouldn't they?

abbecer

Hi Cleaver. I've not known anyone being stopped going up the increment but I have known people being stopped going up the banding. In all honesty I think that increment rises should be related to performance in your job and conditional that you keep up to date with mandatory training etc.

Rebecca

kabayiri

As a private sector type, I think we should be careful and considered before we change the PS pay increment process. It seems like it works well at most lower and normal levels.

I am less convinced at the higher levels though, where they try and align chief execs of councils with a notional equivalent in the private sector (as an example). Heads of PCTs around the country receive significant salaries, yet we hear of many a PCT in financial trouble. Are these people really delivering outstanding ability as their salary would suggest?