Your choice of airline

elstimpo

Bob_the_Saver wrote: »

Yawn, I see you realise there ARE very cheap flights now, as I said before I've got 8 flights for under a tenner each, these flights are where I want to go when I want to go, if you don't fly with Ryanair
how the h*ll would you know? (which you clearly dont!)
Even my cat can understand that they can't charge £10 for every seat on every flight but there is no shortage of VERY cheap deals.
The fares you 'enjoy' on other airlines are because of St Michael and others. Remember what BA and all the others used to charge. I used to have to fly to Sweden in the early 80's at £300 return. Now I can do it for £12 return - THANK YOU Ryanair.

File on the nutters pile!

PS. elstimpo In a previous post (about a different subject) you issued an invitation, my cat would like to take you up on that.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=45082574&postcount=170

I'm not going to bother reading any post that starts with Yawn. I asked some questions, if you can't answer these questions in a sensible and polite way then there is no point in conversing with you.

You are clearly very immature and very rude.

elstimpo

Nobjocki wrote: »

If people weren't happy with Ryanair they would choose an alternative - oh, hang on a minute, in most cases there isn't an alternative.

There are small,regional airports all over Europe whose continued existence is solely down to Ryanair - and while they are much derided over their choice of airports well outside major cities their success is due to the fact that people are happy to fly to those airports and taken a cheap coach journey into the city because the price is right.

And if you really think major airlines with their expensive PR machines care one iota more about you the passenger than Michael O'Leary does you're wrong.

It's business and the bottom line - and shareholders - are what count.

I'm not wrong, we just share a difference in opinion. I think it's about time you learnt the difference.

Nearly all companies in the world would have customer service and satisfaction down as major contributor to it's bottom line. You seem to disagree with this. As far as i am concerned Ryan Air pulled a master stroke when they ordered a load of new planes just after 9/11. They were obviously hugely discounted and therefore they have been able to operate under different conditions to other airlines.

elstimpo

fifeken wrote: »

It did to the rest of us (IMO) until you expanded on it in the following posts.

I shouldn't have had to expand on it, it was very obvious (IMO).

elstimpo

malkie76 wrote: »

I think only a few people would agree that AAs business is better than BAs business. The lounges are far superior, the food and drinks on board are better, and the BA seat is far, far superior (unless you prefer sleeping at an angle in a wedgie-seat).

Half the seats in BA face forward, so you can always select one of those. You don't need to look at a random passenger; thats what the divider is for.

You do need to step over the narrowest part of the person (their feet) if you are in a middle or window seat. Many of the window and middle seats don't require any step over.

However, in AA's business if you are in a window or middle seat you'd have to climb over the widest part of the person next to you, or more likely get them to stand up and let you past. Remember, that's a real problem given the configuration of AAs food/drinks trays, and that your headphones plug into the seat infront (not your own).

Lastly, both offer noise cancelling headphones - BA even offer those in economy plus.

American Airlines is absolutely nowhere near the standard of BA in Business Class. I also can't remember the last time i had to step over anyone from any seat in BA Business unless you are in the seats that are designed for two people travelling together to have more privacy.

I completely agree that the lounges and food are significantly better on BA than American Airlines and the divider is only down for take off and landing, so yes, for these short periods of time, you might be staring at someone.

stoneman

AA for me as well. There seats in Y are better than anything else I have come across. (The BA 777 to LAS was pretty good, but they have changed the plane to a 744) The AAdvantage miles program is so easy to get free flights on. 2 round trips to Vegas and that's enough for a return to the U.S. in Y. Lots of availability as well. Then there is the Platinum challenge, 1 return to LAS and you make Platinum for a year, with lounge access to all one world lounges, priority boarding and best choice of seats. 4 x 500 mile upgrades to be used on internal flights. Even when your year is up you get a soft landing to Gold for the next year. Cost $200 to do it but well worth the money.
BTW I can not beleive the last comment I heard about the food being better on BA Club than AA business. The food is the worst thing about BA premium product.

Nobjocki

elstimpo wrote: »

I'm not going to bother reading any post that starts with Yawn. I asked some questions, if you can't answer these questions in a sensible and polite way then there is no point in conversing with you.

You are clearly very immature and very rude.

Four consecutive posts is beginning to smack of desperation.
So you prefer BA to AA and don't like FR even though you've never flown with them.
And the only reason they're successful is because Michael O'Leary bought some cheap planes after 8/11.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. :rotfl:

elstimpo

Nobjocki wrote: »

Four consecutive posts is beginning to smack of desperation.
So you prefer BA to AA and don't like FR even though you've never flown with them.
And the only reason they're successful is because Michael O'Leary bought some cheap planes after 8/11.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. :rotfl:

In what possible way does 4 consecutive posts smack of desperation? What exactly am i desperate about?

Yes, i prefer British Airways to American Airlines. By a considerable margin.

I don't know what FR means, but yes, i won't travel on Ryan Air as i despise Michael O'Leary and have numerous friends who's opinions i trust that have told me to stick with the products i already use and enjoy.

No, it's not the only reason, but it's a significant one. Unless of course you don't feel that an airline who buys their planes significantly cheaper than the competition don't hold a competitive advantage over their rivals and therefore cannot alter their pricing structure accordingly? Each to their own.

I wonder, are you this bold, this rude and arrogant to strangers in a pub, or do you reserve this behaviour for your internet escapades?

Nobjocki

elstimpo wrote: »

In what possible way does 4 consecutive posts smack of desperation? What exactly am i desperate about?

Yes, i prefer British Airways to American Airlines. By a considerable margin.

I don't know what FR means, but yes, i won't travel on Ryan Air as i despise Michael O'Leary and have numerous friends who's opinions i trust that have told me to stick with the products i already use and enjoy.

No, it's not the only reason, but it's a significant one. Unless of course you don't feel that an airline who buys their planes significantly cheaper than the competition hold a competitive advantage over their rivals and therefore can alter their pricing structure accordingly? Each to their own.

I wonder, are you this bold, this rude and arrogant to strangers in a pub, or do you reserve this behaviour for your internet escapades?

Hey, that's fine if you base your choice of airlines on what other people tell you.

But how do you think Ryanair got the money in the first place to secure a competitive price from Boeing after 9/11 ( Ryanair had already placed a substantial $2billion order with them some years earlier ) if it hadn't already been operating a fantastic low-cost business model which every other short-haul airline in Europe and elsewhere in the world has since followed.

By not knowing what FR stands for you've already displayed your ignorance of how the airline industry operates ( it's the IATA code for Ryanair by the way.)

elstimpo

Nobjocki wrote: »

Hey, that's fine if you base your choice of airlines on what other people tell you.

But how do you think Ryanair got the money in the first place to secure a competitive price from Boeing after 9/11 ( Ryanair had already placed a substantial $2billion order with them some years earlier ) if it hadn't already been operating a fantastic low-cost business model which every other short-haul airline in Europe and elsewhere in the world has since followed.

By not knowing what FR stands for you've already displayed your ignorance of how the airline industry operates.

If i am happy with the airlines i use and the prices i pay and my friends tell me their experiences of Ryan Air are seriously derogatory, why on earth would i change?

I would say that Ryan Air and their original business model would be dead and buried had it not been for the expansion of the European Union. This is probably the biggest aspect of Ryan Air's success and can't be placed at the apparent 'genius' of O'Leary or anyone else at Ryan air as they were loss making till this happened. I expect the money for new planes came from the irish banks that were bending over backwards to lend any amount of money to any Irish initiative. Still amazes me how an Irish bank would lend money in 2005 for 70 new planes to an airline that was loss making in 2004. I guess a sign of the times and easy money available to anyone.

So because i don't know what 'FR' stands for, i am completely ignorant of the airline industry and my views and opinions are not valid? Richard Branson still admits he can't read a balance sheet. I guess you would say he is ignorant of the way the business world works eh?

Anyway, i'm not going to waste anymore of my time on someone like you. Maybe in future try to grow up a little and respect other people's opinions. Just because they differ from you, doesn't make them wrong and you right. Trust me on that one.

richardw

Nobjocki wrote: »

operating a fantastic low-cost business model which every other short-haul airline in Europe and elsewhere in the world has since followed.

Some may say Ryanair copied the low-cost no frills business model from Southwest Airlines in the United States and has taken it a bit further which has become the Ultra Low Cost airline model, with high charges for hold baggage and a smaller hand luggage allowance than the IATA standard.
Spirit Airlines in the USA has taken this further with large hand luggage charges and only a free allowance for a hand luggage bag that can go under the seat in front of you.

i have travelled on Air Asia short haul in the far east, a low cost airline with allocated seating, seems ryanair is aware of this and is doing its own trials http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryanair-extends-its-reserved-seating-service-on-11-routes-to-from-milan-bergamo