"Collection Fee" for stray dog

Raksha

PeteJC21 wrote: »

Stealing... sorry.. "mis-placing".. her collar, leaving us without a collar until we could go and buy a new one at our own expense? THIS is why im refusing to pay the £60, theyve caused us enough expensive as it is, so why should we be forced pay more?

Maybe you should be thankful you weren't also prosecuted under the Control of Dogs Order 1992which says that any dog in a public place must wear a collar with the name and address (including postcode) of the owner engraved or written on it, or engraved on a tag.

PeteJC21

Raksha wrote: »

Maybe you should be thankful you weren't also prosecuted under the Control of Dogs Order 1992which says that any dog in a public place must wear a collar with the name and address (including postcode) of the owner engraved or written on it, or engraved on a tag.

Maybe you should learn to read properly? As I have stated a number of times already...

The.
Dog.
HAD.
A.
Collar.
And.
A.
TAG.
And.
They.
Were.
Kept.
By.
The.
Warden!!!!!

Now repeat that back to me while I draw you a diagram. :mad:

PeteJC21

Anyway, I spoke with the council. They insist the fee still stands as the dog was collected by a contractor (the contractor was a private warden who works for the kennels where she was forced to stay the night for £31). The vet insists she had the collar on when the warden took her away, the warden inisists she didn't.

Basically, !!!! how the dog got out, thats now irrelevant. Whats relevant is that a private warden, who worked for the kennel that charged the £31, had the dog, my wife had spoken with them before they took the dog anywhere near the kennels and said that she could come and get her, they said no she's going to the kennels and you have to pay to get her back. Why? Why couldnt my wife just meet them at the vet, take the dog back (she had all the ID on her) and end of story? Well, because that way the kennels and the warden who works for them wouldn't have made any extra money, only the £60 they claim off the council. And some !!!! still has her collar.

I have paid the £60 fine and reported the collar as stolen to Kent police. Also have written a comlaint to the council manager, my local councillor and will be writing to the local papers to warn others about scamming private dog wardens who work under contract for the council and will refuse to hand your dog back until they have stayed a night at the kennel for a fee. Oh.. and nicked their collar.

967stuart

vax2002 wrote: »

Conspiracy or not, a lot of dogs do mysteriously vanish from gated gardens only to be picked up by a dog warden who just happens to have been called by a neighbour, but for data reasons they can not tell you who that is .
Bull the dog wardens are on targets and you left them an easy one, they opened the gate and took the dog, the informant never existed, by loosing the collar they dont have to contact you in the first instance, they can run the bill up a bit.
No conspiracy.. it happens to lots of people, I caught them red handed trying it here last year , fiddling the gate, unfortunately my dog has serious a psychopathic tendency to drop the teddy and tail wag and shout off and possibly attack intruders and he alerted me to them, I think they had a lucky escape, never trust a spanner ! I ran out and the guy ran to a womans van (DCS) which the police say was registered to the councils approved contractor for dog services, the police said he made an excuse about finding the gate open, which is a lie as all the nearby chickens were correct and present, trust me if that gate was open and was just securing it, one would be missing in action. The police said there was not enough evidence, but he did comment that he did not believe the story one bit of the dog warden, which is just a private company and had officially warned them.
you dont need to lock the dog out, you need to lock the dog napping dog wardens out.
Good point on the padlock

Im sorry, but this is utter garbage.

Raksha

PeteJC21 wrote: »

Maybe you should learn to read properly? As I have stated a number of times already...

The.
Dog.
HAD.
A.
Collar.
And.
A.
TAG.
And.
They.
Were.
Kept.
By.
The.
Warden!!!!!

Now repeat that back to me while I draw you a diagram. :mad:

No need to throw the teddies - you said the dog was returned to you without a collar, so presumably you didn't have a spare, complete with ID tag tucked up your sleeve, so technically you allowed a dog in a public place without a collar, once you had collected it from the council's contractor.......

fluffnutter

PeteJC21 wrote: »

Maybe you should learn to read properly? As I have stated a number of times already...

The.
Dog.
HAD.
A.
Collar.
And.
A.
TAG.
And.
They.
Were.
Kept.
By.
The.
Warden!!!!!

Now repeat that back to me while I draw you a diagram. :mad:

To be fair, the collar went missing. You can't be sure where it went or whether it was deliberately taken.

fluffnutter

PeteJC21 wrote: »

Anyway, I spoke with the council. They insist the fee still stands as the dog was collected by a contractor (the contractor was a private warden who works for the kennels where she was forced to stay the night for £31). The vet insists she had the collar on when the warden took her away, the warden inisists she didn't.

Basically, !!!! how the dog got out, thats now irrelevant. Whats relevant is that a private warden, who worked for the kennel that charged the £31, had the dog, my wife had spoken with them before they took the dog anywhere near the kennels and said that she could come and get her, they said no she's going to the kennels and you have to pay to get her back. Why? Why couldnt my wife just meet them at the vet, take the dog back (she had all the ID on her) and end of story?

Have you asked this specific question? I.e. Why was my dog taken to the kennels despite my wife being available and ready to collect her?

You have every right to be cross about this, not least because it resulted in an extra charge, but primarily because it's not nice to be separated from your dog! Why should she spend a night in kennels when she can be home with you? Far less distressing for her to be at home. Given that recovering stray dogs is about keeping dogs and the public safe (and not, despite your and waaag's belief, about making money) the council/dog warden/whomever needs to have a clear and reasonable answer to this.

But have you asked this? In writing?

TBH, if they don't give a satisfactory answer, I wouldn't pay the £31 charge. They could take me to court for it, frankly. I would however pay the original £60 as the fact remains that your dog was found wandering around.

I'd also forget about the collar. At the end of the day, you're never going to be able to find out how it went missing, so what can you do? Just buy a new one and be done with it.

PeteJC21

Raksha wrote: »

No need to throw the teddies - you said the dog was returned to you without a collar, so presumably you didn't have a spare, complete with ID tag tucked up your sleeve, so technically you allowed a dog in a public place without a collar, once you had collected it from the council's contractor.......

Yes we do have a spare, her training collar and the spare tag that we had when we bought them. When my wife collected her she put the spare collar on the dog. I hardly think collecting a dog from a kennel and taking her straight home in the car would be classed as "allowing a dog in a public place without a collar".. even if technically that was the case its hardly on par with Ronnie Biggs is it? Its a completely irrelevant matter!

Raksha

PeteJC21 wrote: »

Yes we do have a spare, her training collar and the spare tag that we had when we bought them. When my wife collected her she put the spare collar on the dog. I hardly think collecting a dog from a kennel and taking her straight home in the car would be classed as "allowing a dog in a public place without a collar".. even if technically that was the case its hardly on par with Ronnie Biggs is it? Its a completely irrelevant matter!

Thanks for clearing that up. You'd be surprised what is classed as a public place, under the DDA, a dog barking in a car in a supermarket car park can be classed as a public place I am told......

PeteJC21

fluffnutter wrote: »

Have you asked this specific question? I.e. Why was my dog taken to the kennels despite my wife being available and ready to collect her?

You have every right to be cross about this, not least because it resulted in an extra charge, but primarily because it's not nice to be separated from your dog! Why should she spend a night in kennels when she can be home with you? Far less distressing for her to be at home. Given that recovering stray dogs is about keeping dogs and the public safe (and not, despite your and waaag's belief, about making money) the council/dog warden/whomever needs to have a clear and reasonable answer to this.

But have you asked this? In writing?

TBH, if they don't give a satisfactory answer, I wouldn't pay the £31 charge. They could take me to court for it, frankly. I would however pay the original £60 as the fact remains that your dog was found wandering around.

I'd also forget about the collar. At the end of the day, you're never going to be able to find out how it went missing, so what can you do? Just buy a new one and be done with it.

Well the £31 has already been paid, my wife had to pay that in order to get the kennels to release the dog, this is the "ransom" part of it. Yes I asked the question today why the dog had to be taken to the kennel, the council envromental officer said because the contractor doesnt have it in the contract to deliver the dog to owners address and they couldnt meet my wife at the vet because they may have "had other things to do". Bull !!!!. The warden just wanted to take the dog to his kennel so he could charge us the ransom.

All this i will re-ask in my complaint letter. The £60 i will pay as i dont want it turning into a debt collection issue harming my good credit rating.

Yes i appreciate we will likely never get the collar back, and it wasnt necessarily stolen, but either way it was lost. But why? Why take a perfectly good collar and tag off a dog when the law states she should be wearing one? Why remove it in the first place that would allow it to be lost? Thats why im convinced it was stolen. This has been reported to the police, i very much doubt anything will happen, but hopefully it'll remind whoever is responsible to be either a little more careful or a little less light fingered.