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Why we have riots

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  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Fair enough. Still....nice to have a computer isn't it.

    Hehe, what a post!!
  • Loughton_Monkey
    Loughton_Monkey Posts: 8,913 Forumite
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    edited 18 September 2011 at 9:32PM
    pqrdef wrote: »
    Tamara Ecclestone, 27-year-old daughter of Bernie, has sent 5 people to the Amazon to look for rock crystal to make a bathtub. She says "It's costing £1m because I've got to reinforce the floor and I've had to pay for everyone's travel and the hauling back and polishing of the crystal. But I spend a lot of time in the bath, so it's worth it."

    Old news. Was covered by "Sister Site" back in March.

    http://www.moneysquanderingexpert.com/?!!!!!amazon-rock-crystal&paged=6
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    Bathing between a Rock and a Hard place

    10024-A-150x150.jpgWhen you hear words like Giant Rock and Baldi your first impressions are probably not of extravagant bath tubs. Baldi are an Italian company famed for creating exuberant home accessories out of precious metals.
    This sculpture has an 8 foot diameter and is the second of 3 tubs carved out of a flawless ten ton block of the purest Amazonian White Rock Crystal. The exteriors on each were left rough, giving each a unique appearance. Read more
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    confused
    doesn't everyone have crystal baths in all the bathrooms?
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    confused
    doesn't everyone have crystal baths in all the bathrooms?

    I only tell people in public about my crystal baths when I need some free publicity for my bra and knicker wearing work.

    Sadly, being something of a middle aged male, this work has dried up in recent times (I never had much call for it, in truth).

    Desperate times call for desperate measures, but they say any publicity is good publicity, so here goes.

    My real name is "Demerara EccyThump" (but you can call me sugar).

    I have approached the EU for a £5m grant to fund my Summer House made from Unicorn horn. I have sent an expedition task force to their last remaining habitat, which is I believe Disney World.
  • pqrdef wrote: »
    Once again, Ken Clarke's statistics are worthless because they only relate to people who've been charged. Mostly, they were charged because the police recognised them on the CCTV tapes, having had previous dealings with them. This skews the sample rather.

    We still don't know anything about the majority of people out there, the people who haven't been charged - except that they haven't been charged because the police haven't identified them, having not dealt with them previously.


    Yes. But that's what always happens. It's the exhilaration of liberation. Whenever people for some reason feel free of the oppressive weight that normally gets them down, they go mad, one way or another. Last day of term - orgy of rule-breaking. Get demobbed - get demob-happy.

    What we saw was an outbreak of freedom among people who normally find life getting of top of them. Obviously, giving some people too much freedom too suddenly is a bad idea - but that is itself an indictment of the system. And if our only answer is to keep people in their cages, we'll live in fear of another outbreak.

    In earlier centuries people lived in fear of the masses. In the 20th we thought we found that emancipation of the masses was the answer. Trains, buses, cars and TV were great democratisers. But now we're hell-bent on creating a disenfranchised underclass which already can't afford trains, cars or buses, and even free TV is under threat. But we're creating a monster. Be afraid.

    Given the number of looters convicted and the the spread from London to Birmingham and Manchester I find your hypothesis unlikely.

    As for the underclass as you call it I think the biggest issue for society is that we don't need anything like as much physical man power. Technology has replaced them to a large extent. To prosper we need less people with more skills and a more meritocratic system, that cuts through the nepotism and corruption prevalent in so many of our established professions, to enable them to improve our competitiveness.

    Funding the nth generation of an unemployed family to breed and letting the old school tie networks continue is only going to exacerbate our economic and social issues.
  • ILW wrote: »
    I thought it was all the banks fault.

    The banks have cost us more and, thanks to the recession they caused, have closed far more businesses.

    However, they had nothing to do with the riots/lootings.
  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    Fair enough. Still....nice to have a computer isn't it.


    Hahahaha

    Game set and match.

    Poor old pdqref. He/she tries so hard, but his/her threads never turn out quite the way anticipated.
  • FTBFun
    FTBFun Posts: 4,273 Forumite
    pqrdef wrote: »
    The scum of the earth is what Wellington called his men after a victory in battle was followed by a looting episode. And he meant it. He despised his men. He also meant it when he said they frightened him. Of course nothing much had changed in WW1.

    Although he later said:

    "though many of the men were the scum of the earth; it is really wonderful that we should have made them to the fine fellows they are".

    That doesn't sound like someone who despised his men.

    !!!!!! has any of this to do with the riots though?
  • kabayiri
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    FTBFun wrote: »
    Although he later said:

    "though many of the men were the scum of the earth; it is really wonderful that we should have made them to the fine fellows they are".

    That doesn't sound like someone who despised his men.

    !!!!!! has any of this to do with the riots though?

    To misquote yet another historic literary masterpiece (this time the Lion King) :
    "It is all part of the great Circle of Strife"
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    This one turned out exactly as anticipated - an exploration of the moral vacuum. The "because I can" and "I'm all right, who gives a !!!! about anybody else" attitude of some posters has a lot in common with that of people who torch buildings.

    No such thing as society, said Thatcher. No social obligations then. But riots remind us there are other people out there. Until the Tories find the guts to shoot them, they will have to coexist.

    The riots, though rooted in discontent, weren't coherently political. Most of the rioters would be pushed to name the Prime Minister. But political agitators have noted the existence of a resource they can easily exploit. Next time, targets might be more carefully chosen.

    Then what will people do? They might have to desert their Kensington mansions and Oxfordshire manor houses and go and live in walled enclaves.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
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