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Why we have riots
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Her own money? Did she earn it?chucknorris wrote: »letting others get on with spending their own money on what they want I think"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Making money to put it to good use would be an achievement. Making money to waste it, no. This only reflects the values of a culture which has elevated making money (and usually it's just taking other people's money, not actual wealth creation) to an end in itself.Brallaqueen wrote: »I'm not commending them as people (his attitudes stink for example) but he has worked his way up in the world from leaving school at 16. That's an achievement in my book.
I can't see anything to admire in people who've got no better ideas for what to do with money than lavish and extravagant self-indulgence.
Entitlement culture doesn't start with chavs."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
AH
would of been cheaper by mail order £40.85 from amazon.co.uk
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crystal-Ball-CBD-Bath-Dechlorinator/dp/B0039U5QB6/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1316358802&sr=8-6
ps i would of liked to apply for that job
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Making money to put it to good use would be an achievement. Making money to waste it, no. This only reflects the values of a culture which has elevated making money (and usually it's just taking other people's money, not actual wealth creation) to an end in itself.
I can't see anything to admire in people who've got no better ideas for what to do with money than lavish and extravagant self-indulgence.
Entitlement culture doesn't start with chavs.
If it was my money - as it has been in the past, I'd tell you to go to hell. As long as it's obtained by honest means it's no business of yours where it comes from or what an individual does with it.0 -
Would you make any connection between the excesses of the Prince Regent and the social unrest of the time? Or between the French Revolution and "let them eat cake"? Does the notion of moral leadership mean anything?Graham_Devon wrote: »When I read your post OP I assumed you'd give us a clue as to why we have riots."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Would you make any connection between the excesses of the Prince Regent and the social unrest of the time? Or between the French Revolution and "let them eat cake"? Does the notion of moral leadership mean anything?
The "let them eat cake" reference shows you don't know what you're talking about. It wasn't said. Not by Marie Antoinette or anyone else. what was said was to let the people eat sweeter breads because flour wasn't available to make bread. It was a gesture of charity in other words.
The Prince Regent was reined in by Parliament who continued to curb his spending when he became King.0 -
Well for a start we don't actually 'have riots' - as that suggests that riots are a permanent and ongoing feature.
Look it's quite simple - we have bred a generation which thinks the world owes it a living and designer trainers. They didn't experience the 1st or second world war or the depression of the 30s. They didn't have to send their families to the workhouse.
Compared to 3rd world countries we have had the life of riley for a long time and now the tables are turning. Though we are still more fortunate than many.
Personally I think there should be a programme of sending these kids (because it IS largely, youth) to work in countries where people have to struggle just to get water for their day to day needs, where there are no medical facilities on tap and where there is very little safety net if you get sick or disabled.0 -
[quote=[Deleted User];47001675]With the possible exception of the first riot the rest was just looting conducted mostly by people with previous convictions.
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Once again, Ken Clarke's statistics are worthless because they only relate to people who've been charged. Mostly, they were charged because the police recognised them on the CCTV tapes, having had previous dealings with them. This skews the sample rather.
We still don't know anything about the majority of people out there, the people who haven't been charged - except that they haven't been charged because the police haven't identified them, having not dealt with them previously.
[quote=[Deleted User];47001675]The reason for these mass lootings is that the people who did it are opportunist scum and had every reason to believe they would get away with it.
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Yes. But that's what always happens. It's the exhilaration of liberation. Whenever people for some reason feel free of the oppressive weight that normally gets them down, they go mad, one way or another. Last day of term - orgy of rule-breaking. Get demobbed - get demob-happy.
What we saw was an outbreak of freedom among people who normally find life getting of top of them. Obviously, giving some people too much freedom too suddenly is a bad idea - but that is itself an indictment of the system. And if our only answer is to keep people in their cages, we'll live in fear of another outbreak.
In earlier centuries people lived in fear of the masses. In the 20th we thought we found that emancipation of the masses was the answer. Trains, buses, cars and TV were great democratisers. But now we're hell-bent on creating a disenfranchised underclass which already can't afford trains, cars or buses, and even free TV is under threat. But we're creating a monster. Be afraid."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
.....................What we saw was an outbreak of freedom among people who normally find life getting of top of them. Obviously, giving some people too much freedom too suddenly is a bad idea - but that is itself an indictment of the system. And if our only answer is to keep people in their cages, we'll live in fear of another outbreak. .......................
what we saw was an outbreak of organised recreational rioting. Nothing more sinister than that. The "mob" doesn't exist anymore.
Wake up and smell the coffee.0
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