Renting from family and housing benefit

black-saturn

Heres some guidelines here:

http://www.housingoptions.org.uk/gi_factsheets/gi_fs_17.html

You can have a tenancy agreement drawn up at a solicitors for about £30 - £50 and have it personalised so that they can add things into it like no pets or (as my last landlord asked) that I must open the windows for 10 minutes every day

deary65

Administers of the law through lack of knowledge of the same, tend to shape and gloss the law to suit themselves, that is their insecurity, the law knows of no such insecurities.

Thanks for giving me opportunity to asking you where in law does it say you must fill out an application form. I only no of a law where people are entitled to assistants with their rent.(for people reading this thread I hope you can answer this question)

We cannot get this department into court, that is what we want but they always pay the full rent when we write.. Just like the bank charges thread they pay up,because they do not want to go to court.

P.S you can thank each other all you like but this deception is going to be exposed.

Your application form is asking people to beg for their legal rights and that to British people is offensive and I intend to put an end to it.

deary65

What's wrong! Come up against some one who knows what they are talking about Here is the law on this matter
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There are two ways to control rents,one by market forces, the other a rent act. The government has chosen the former that means they pay the full rent.
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The department is trying to create one law for those seeking assistant with their rent and one for those that do not. And I can assure you all, that is unconstitutional and the courts just won't entertain it. They try to make you believe they have these powers but they don't.

If I had not come across a thread were a young lady was having her rent restricted,putting her and her family into hardship and to add insult to injury it was suggested that she move to cheaper accommodation i would never have believed this sort of thing was going on, what next, build poor houses, set-up soup kitchens. Looking around it is astonishing what advise people are being given from people supposed to know what they are talking about. Now I understand the agency have to protect public funds but, in doing so they must respect the law .Always remember it is the law that is making the decisions not the benefit officer.

The age of maturity in this country is 18 that is a constitutional law, the only way you can change that is with an other constitutional law increasing or decreasing it Don't let anyone tell you different.
This is the information they need to work out your benefit:
1)your name and address
2)your N.I number
3)Your income and if you are on means tested benefit you will get the full rent minus any services not capable of being defined as rent such as,water rates,meals,laundry ect,,
4)your landlords name and address
5)The rental value
6)sign the letter stating the date you want your benefit to start.
7)They won't like it but that is the law
8)If they believe it is a contrived tenancy then ask them to prove it, otherwise pay the full rent..
Regards

Anthillmob

deary65 wrote:

Administers of the law through lack of knowledge of the same, tend to shape and gloss the law to suit themselves, that is their insecurity, the law knows of no such insecurities.

Thanks for giving me opportunity to asking you where in law does it say you must fill out an application form. I only no of a law where people are entitled to assistants with their rent.(for people reading this thread I hope you can answer this question)

We cannot get this department into court, that is what we want but they always pay the full rent when we write.. Just like the bank charges thread they pay up,because they do not want to go to court.

P.S you can thank each other all you like but this deception is going to be exposed.

Your application form is asking people to beg for their legal rights and that to British people is offensive and I intend to put an end to it.

and what about non british people who have leave to remain here and claim benefits? your post sounds not only like a load of codswallop but also a little racist.

how are you going to put an end to anything? running to be the next PM are we?

Anthillmob

deary65 wrote:

What's wrong! Come up against some one who knows what they are talking about Here is the law on this matter
.
There are two ways to control rents,one by market forces, the other a rent act. The government has chosen the former that means they pay the full rent.
.
The department is trying to create one law for those seeking assistant with their rent and one for those that do not. And I can assure you all, that is unconstitutional and the courts just won't entertain it. They try to make you believe they have these powers but they don't.

If I had not come across a thread were a young lady was having her rent restricted,putting her and her family into hardship and to add insult to injury it was suggested that she move to cheaper accommodation i would never have believed this sort of thing was going on, what next, build poor houses, set-up soup kitchens. Looking around it is astonishing what advise people are being given from people supposed to know what they are talking about. Now I understand the agency have to protect public funds but, in doing so they must respect the law .Always remember it is the law that is making the decisions not the benefit officer.

The age of maturity in this country is 18 that is a constitutional law, the only way you can change that is with an other constitutional law increasing or decreasing it Don't let anyone tell you different.
This is the information they need to work out your benefit:
1)your name and address
2)your N.I number
3)Your income and if you are on means tested benefit you will get the full rent minus any services not capable of being defined as rent such as,water rates,meals,laundry ect,,
4)your landlords name and address
5)The rental value
6)sign the letter stating the date you want your benefit to start.
7)They won't like it but that is the law
8)If they believe it is a contrived tenancy then ask them to prove it, otherwise pay the full rent..
Regards

the benefit application form asks more detailed questions such as if you or your partner are a student, previous address and if claimed before, if in receipt of dla, details of any children or non-dependants, are you in receipt of child benefit and what is the chb number, non-deps are they working or students, you/your partners income (and if you work you put on the form in the correct boxes how many hours you do, how often you are paid, if you pay into a pension), any benefits you receive, information about the house (specifically how many rooms in the property and if you share any of these with peoples not on your claim -for private rental), who is responsible for the ctax, your ll's full name and address, if your property is let to you furnished or unfurnished, does it have central heating (all of which affect the valuation set by the rent officer), then questions about any capital you have.

and then you read and sign the declaration

this is just off the top of my head without having a form in front of me. if you were to just write what you said in a letter it would hold your claim up as we would have to write for further info and send you a form to fill in. so filling out a form is quicker and easier in the long run.

Doranora

Thanks for the replies. These things are never easy, I know, but knowing something is actually possible gets you a way further down the road. Cheers!

Anthillmob

no problems

deary65

h dear,I appear to have offended you, may most profuse apologies You must not take things personally this is purely a matter of law. I have said I don't expect people to understand the laws that they live under. In law, a tenant need only prove liability to pay rent in order to qualify for housing benefit. I should check this with your legal department. I think you will find that I'm right.

As to the application form I have already informed the benefit agency, that this instrument has no legal validity, in other words it can not be submitted by way of evidence in a court. If this instrument informed the claimant that they were under no legal obligation to complete the application in this form asked for, and they so completed then that could be submitted as evidence against them,as it is, it is a valueless document and offensive.

Any one who shelters under the protection of the crown is temporary a British subject not withstanding they might not enjoy all the rights.

Regards, and don't take things personally it is not good for your blood pressure.

Alleycat

deary, I think people would appreciate it if you could quote some sort of legislation regarding the issues you state. Also a link or two would be most useful.

If you cannot supply this information, I would strongly advise anyone looking for advice not to follow what you have suggested.

Full information is needed in order to decide whether someone qualifies, how much they receive etc. It is not a valueless document, nor is it offensive. The questions are not irrelevant, but are necessary to establish entitlement. They are not asking for your inside leg measurement or whether you enjoy a spot of beastiality which would obviously be completely useless to this task.

deary65

Check with your legal department.The advise I give is for peoples information,so they can download it, and get a second opinion.That is how confident I am in my advise.
My Regards

the only value the application form has is to fit in to your computer programe