More tax on my car

Bagpuss1973

MarkyMarkD wrote:

I very much doubt you'll be paying that much.

And if you will, you should move house to somewhere nearer work rather than moaning about paying £13,000 a year in road pricing charges.

Don't you just love really helpful remarks like this???:mad:

No idea what we would have to pay - two car household - shock horror!!

Before you start saying use the bus - yes I would - are you going to supply one? Thought not. Neither myself nor my partner would be able to get to our jobs by bus. You might be fit but I am not cycling 15 miles to work along a busy road my partner works another 15 miles in the opposite direction. We live half-way between both our jobs, I would love to live nearer my job because it is in a lovely small town - guess you are going to be supplying me with an affordable house along with bus - again thought not!

Please Marky-mark don't be so pathetic! Not everyone can work where they live. In our tiny village there is a corner shop, post office and a pub - not exactly the most employment to be had and we live at least 7 miles from the next town - with no buses.

MarkyMarkD

Eh? I'm not being pathetic at all.

If you can't work where you live, move to where you work. What's pathetic about that?

It's pathetic that people commute for hours a day, rather than living nearer to work.

People who live in the middle of nowhere are NOT going to be paying much on road pricing anyway, and it wasn't them who I was addressing my comments to.

And the £13,000 a year figure is completely ridiculous and based on scaremongering figures which the newspapers have been quoting out of context. No normal, sensible, person is going to incur that sort of charge - and anyone who does is making a deliberate choice to do a LOT of travelling on congested roads.

dazco

Time to buy a horse methinks

lidlest

dazco wrote:

So, since 1880 the average temperature has risen a massive 0.6 oC.

During 1998-2005 the temperature DROPPED a tiny fraction.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml

As a Geography teacher could you tell us a little about The Mini Ice Age or the Medieval Climate Optimum.

I'd actually like you to research those and realise they are NOT an argument against global warming. Off you go.

dazco

I am not saying that the globe is not warming.

I am saying, and this is the whole point of this thread, that paying Gordon Brown money will not help. For 2 reasons.

1, It is perfectly feasible that global warming may be occuring naturally

2, More importantly, if he grabs our money he will NOT use it to combat global warming.

I shall now name this tax as the "GUILT TAX".:beer:

lidlest

dazco wrote:

I am not saying that the globe is not warming.

I am saying, and this is the whole point of this thread, that paying Gordon Brown money will not help. For 2 reasons.

1, It is perfectly feasible that global warming may be occuring naturally

2, More importantly, if he grabs our money he will NOT use it to combat global warming.

I shall now name this tax as the "GUILT TAX".:beer:

Urm, not arguing with you there (apart from point 1) with carbon pollution from cars being such a small amount of the carbon we are putting into the atmosphere there are many other things we can do before charging per mile for our travels. However, I want to see those big jeep things banned in cities (you don't need them), I'd like the cost of public transport to reduce, it's ridiculous how much KL has put it up by. Me and two collegues from work found it cheaper to drive (one car) into london and pay the CC and parking than to take the tube. I don't think putting the CC rate up is the answer to that either thanks ken. I'd like to see it mandatory to have energy saving lightbulbs. small things before , yes a guilt tax

dazco

lidlest wrote:

Urm, not arguing with you there (apart from point 1) with carbon pollution from cars being such a small amount of the carbon we are putting into the atmosphere there are many other things we can do before charging per mile for our travels. However, I want to see those big jeep things banned in cities (you don't need them), I'd like the cost of public transport to reduce, it's ridiculous how much KL has put it up by. Me and two collegues from work found it cheaper to drive (one car) into london and pay the CC and parking than to take the tube. I don't think putting the CC rate up is the answer to that either thanks ken. I'd like to see it mandatory to have energy saving lightbulbs. small things before , yes a guilt tax

Fair enough.:D

ps Gordon Brown would call this tax:rotfl: the gilt tax

110frankie

mpython wrote:

I've yet to hear alternative solutions or what to do about 3k+ deaths each year, speeding motorists & uninsured drivers.

"3k deaths per year" - 85 per cent of accidents involving pedestrians are caused by the pedestrians. Those are police figures.

So the solution appears to be to tax motorists? And that will stop pedestrians from walking in front of vehicles how exactly?

"speeding motorists" - have you not noticed the numbers of cameras on our roads today?

"uninsured drivers" - The DVLA database has the list. Police cars take the pic of the number, within seconds they are told if that car is insured or not. So they nick them.

The government cares nothing about safety, or the environment. What it cares about is raising cash to waste.

nej

Wig wrote:

2nd cars are generally not necessary as your wifes example illustrates perfectly, taxing 2nd cars heavily would have the desired effect of making it financially impractical for your wife not to walk to the bus stop and use the buses (or ride a bike). That's how it will help.

I don't see how 30 mins on a bus is better than 10 mins in the car. Plus, she needs to ferry around the kids on days she doesn't work. We do seperate things in the day, don't work near each other, and both need transport. She used to walk to work when we lived nearer, but then we moved away (couldn't afford to buy there).

Heaven forbid!

It's not the 15 min walk that's the problem, it's the 90 mins of public transport before it! I wouldn't mind the walk.

So ride a bike.

I personally don't think it's safe enough. Today I'd have been blown all over the road. And carrying a briefcase and a laptop isn't easy whilst doing so.
More to the point - I don't want to. I want to sit in my nice warm car, listening to MP3s. Not to mention my fitless (not a typo!) level.

lisyloo

So ride a bike.

In do sometimes ride a bike but I wouldn't be prepared to do it on a day like today with very stormy weather.
I wear glasses and can't it's quite difficult to see when it's raining.
I wouldn't either be prepared to ride on main roads in the dark and through the countryside it can be dangerous as a lone female (if you get a puncture for example).

Also can be difficult for people that need to look presentable (in a suit) and/or don't have shower facilities at work.

I am all for walking and riding, for both health and environmental reasons but it's not always practical.