Public sector, where where you when we needed help??

cyclonebri1

As above, new anouncement over strikes re pensions.

Do you really expect the public, AKA, the private sector, that have had their wages and pensions raped over recent years to either support or sympathise with your cause.

Get real people and join the present world.

casey_junior

Should we have counter demonstrations to drive them back to their work?

Moby

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

As above, new anouncement over strikes re pensions.

Do you really expect the public, AKA, the private sector, that have had their wages and pensions raped over recent years to either support or sympathise with your cause.

Get real people and join the present world.

The whole point of industrial action is to change things. I'd rather strike and tell them what we think of them than just meekly sit on the sidelines and take whatever is coming. This Government has simply not been negotiating in good faith. The industrial action over the coming years will be inevitable simply because this Government makes no attempt to reach out to disaffected and disadvantaged groups.

zagfles

Moby wrote: »

The whole point of industrial action is to change things. I'd rather strike and tell them what we think of them than just meekly sit on the sidelines and take whatever is coming. This Government has simply not been negotiating in good faith. The industrial action over the coming years will be inevitable simply because this Government makes no attempt to reach out to disaffected and disadvantaged groups.

You mean like private sector workers? Who are now paid on average less than public sector workers, who usually have far worse pension schemes, yet who are expected to subsidise generous pension schemes they can only dream of for the public sector?

Even Red Ed, elected to his position by the unions, is condemning the upcoming strikes.

Moby

zagfles wrote: »

You mean like private sector workers? Who are now paid on average less than public sector workers, who usually have far worse pension schemes, yet who are expected to subsidise generous pension schemes they can only dream of for the public sector?

Even Red Ed, elected to his position by the unions, is condemning the upcoming strikes.

As i've said many times ....swings and roundabouts....I remember in the 80's and 90's the private sector did pretty well. In the public sector we were sold the idea that we were entering a vocation! that of course justified our low wages. We were further told we would at least have good pensions when we retired. .....'Red Ed' 'elected by the unions'......out come the Blue rinse brigade:o

atush

Good luck with that.

The public IS NOT BEHIND YOU. So don't expect change as the rest of us in the real world who having borne the brunt of the recession will be lobbying our MPs to hold firm.

You will not win. You can't or we will be bankrupt like Greece.

WE like that you do your job. WE are happy that you are now getting paid as much as the private sector. WE don't begrudge you (much) your defined benefit Pensions- even with the changes you are still better off than every one else. But don't push your luck.

zagfles

Moby wrote: »

As i've said many times ....swings and roundabouts....I remember in the 80's and 90's the private sector did pretty well. In the public sector we were sold the idea that we were entering a vocation! that of course justified our low wages. We were further told we would at least have good pensions when we retired.

Yes. In the 80/90s public sector pay was lower but pensions were better.

Now public sector pay and pensions are better. And still will be, even after the proposed changes.

.....'Red Ed' 'elected by the unions'......out come the Blue rinse brigade:o

Blue rinse :rotfl:Try looking at the results of the leadership vote. In all 4 rounds, Labour MPs/MEPs voted for his brother, Labour party members voted for his brother, but the unions voted for Ed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_2010

sheffield_lad

The unions are having a laugh, they come out with

its the bankers fault? What the reason your living longer?

it's a race to the bottom? Err no more like you have woken up from that long sleep from 1979 woke up in 2011 and realised you now live in the REAL WORLD!!

They are affordable Labour did us a deal only a few years back? Err they delayed the inevitable because it's the easy option after all they fill labours money pot.

I was told I could retire at 60 (55 fireman), now I am being told 5yrs more? Ehhh HELLO you slipped back in to that nice dream with the Abba music this is 2011 we ALL work till we are 65 er 66 er no make that 68 again GOOD MORNING WELCOME TO 2011

A dinner Lady's pension is only £75 per week? And they work how many hours and how many weeks off do they get!!

and don't forget any generous final salary pension that has been built up to present is 100% safe

The new offer is still better than nearly any pension you can get in the private sector.

ALMOST half I repeat HALF your council tax goes towards the council pension scheme. So thousands No millions who don't have a pension pay for the public sector one! How can that be fair?

That's before we even mention productivity, double the amount of sick days or the fact no one ever gets sacked just moved for poor work grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Come on private sector, self employed and everyone else who is sick of propping these ridiculous pensions up they have to change we know it lol even Labour know it that just leaves the workers (who do but think worth a try), and our friends the dinosaurs (ever noticed most have a Scottish or Scouse accent weird lol).

Oliver_Zarmy

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

As above, new anouncement over strikes re pensions.

Do you really expect the public, AKA, the private sector, that have had their wages and pensions raped over recent years to either support or sympathise with your cause.

Get real people and join the present world.

cyclonebri1

Can you please let readers of your post know the answers to the following questions-

1) What has caused wages in the private sector to be as poor as they now are?

2) What has caused pensions in the private sector to be as poor as they now are?

sheffield_lad

Oliver_Zarmy wrote: »

cyclonebri1

Can you please let readers of your post know the answers to the following questions-

1) What has caused wages in the private sector to be as poor as they now are?

2) What has caused pensions in the private sector to be as poor as they now are?

Peoples life expectancy increasing. Over borrowing by the public and the government creating jobs for the sake of it. You didn't ask me but thats the answer.

real1314

atush wrote: »

Good luck with that.

The public IS NOT BEHIND YOU. So don't expect change as the rest of us in the real world who having borne the brunt of the recession will be lobbying our MPs to hold firm.

You will not win. You can't or we will be bankrupt like Greece.

WE like that you do your job. WE are happy that you are now getting paid as much as the private sector. WE don't begrudge you (much) your defined benefit Pensions- even with the changes you are still better off than every one else. But don't push your luck.

You do know that the cost of public sector pensions as a percentage of GDP is falling don't you? That over the next 50 years it will fall?

So, how will the falling cost of public sector pensions cause the country to become bankrupt?

On the other hand, if public sctor pensions are cut, what do you think will happen to those who have private sector schemes? Do you think they might get cut further? :cool: