Public sector, where where you when we needed help??

Old_Slaphead

maginot wrote: »

We currently have a pension problem in this country and we need desperately to improve the private sector pension.

How's it going to be done then ?

Jessikita1983

Although I do not agree with everything you say, I would defend until death your right to express your opinion. However I would like to throw my two pennies in.

I have spent exactly half my working life in the private sector and half working for a local council, so I would like to throw in my experience of the perks of both.

Firstly the public sector pension (PubSP) is generally better than what I got in the private sector (PSP).

In the PSP I contributed 3% and my employer matched it. In the PubSP I contribute 6.5% and they match it.

I must disagree with your comments about the pay being better in the public sector. I find it comparable with all the other wages offered in the private sector from companies of similar sizes (the council I work for employs 16000 people).

Although the pension is better in the PubS, that is the only perk I can see from working at the council.

In the private sector we had a hefty bonus, a Christmas party and gifts, a paid for uniform, subsidised canteen etc.

I'm not saying that public sector workers are hard done by for not having these things, I am merely pointing out that there are other advantages.

I would rather have a better pension than a Christmas party admittedly.

The only other point I would like to make is, it is not purely the private sector workers that pay for our pensions, I do pay tax, NI, Council tax etc etc as well so I contribute towards my own pension as much as you do.
And do not forget there are jobs to be had in the public sector if you wish to change! The option for you working there and getting the better pension is an option.

jem16

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Firstly the public sector pension (PubSP) is generally better than what I got in the private sector (PSP).

In the PSP I contributed 3% and my employer matched it. In the PubSP I contribute 6.5% and they match it.

In the LGPS, the employer is probably paying around 15% and not simply matching your 6.5%.

However in reality, as it is a final salary pension, the employer contribution doesn't matter to you.

MacMickster

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

You were not talking about pay rises - you were talking about public sector workers on minimum wage - I repeat there aren't any.

Cleaner - All Souls Primary School

Ref: C11077Employer: Rochdale CouncilLocation: All Souls Primary School, Rye Street, Heywood OL10 4DFSalary: £12,312 - £13,189 pro rata

Lets see. Minimum wage £5.92 per hour X 40 hours X 52 weeks = £12313. Sounds like a minimum wage job to me.

Its really not worth answering the rest of your points.

I do not work for the public sector, but I do appreciate the work done by the public sector. The demonisation of the public sector by Daily Mail readers and their ilk is completely unjustified.

By the way, I ran my own small business for over 20 years and I assure you that any businessman who spends their time doing their own accountancy is a fool. A good accountant is worth their weight in gold to a business.

Old_Slaphead

Jessikita1983 wrote: »

Although the pension is better in the PubS, that is the only perk I can see from working at the council.

Public sector employees generally have longer holidays, sick pay, better redundancy terms, better job security, often flexible working, sometimes subsidised canteens and occasionally (in the case of my LA) subsidised council gym membership.

I've been in private sector for 30+ years and (tho' I work in the sticks) very rarely hear of the Xmas parties, bonuses etc that you think are so widespread.

FWIW the employers pension contribution in the public sector is worth about 20% of pay (not 6.5%).

Old_Slaphead

MacMickster wrote: »

Cleaner - All Souls Primary School

Ref: C11077Employer: Rochdale CouncilLocation: All Souls Primary School, Rye Street, Heywood OL10 4DFSalary: £12,312 - £13,189 pro rata

Lets see. Minimum wage £5.92 per hour X 40 hours X 52 weeks = £12313. Sounds like a minimum wage job to me.

Its really not worth answering the rest of your points.

I do not work for the public sector, but I do appreciate the work done by the public sector. The demonisation of the public sector by Daily Mail readers and their ilk is completely unjustified.

By the way, I ran my own small business for over 20 years and I assure you that any businessman who spends their time doing their own accountancy is a fool. A good accountant is worth their weight in gold to a business.

Starting rate £6.40 per hour (37 hours per week) rising to £6.85. I repeat NO public sector job pays minimum wage.

By the way - my partner runs her own business and doesn't need an accountant. Draw your own conclusion.

The_Angry_Jock

maginot wrote: »

Almost, just the other way round.

It is the private sector who keep whinging!.

Remind me again, who's striking?

atush

Almost, just the other way round.

It is the private sector who keep whinging! If the public sector is so rosy, go get a job working 12 hour shifts in a hospital. Go spend 4 years at university and get daily abuse within an inner city state school?

Private sector is created by the public sector, wealth and development is created by public spending. Education is the backbone of any country.

The private sector continually complain about hospitals, schools, crime etc, and then complain further when they are asked to pay for it.

We currently have a pension problem in this country and we need desperately to improve the private sector pension. This is not going to be resolved by reducing the public sector pension. It is short termist to just reduce public pensions

Geeze Louse I can't beleive this Cr*pola???? Did any of you out there actually go to school and learn anything (apart from the manifesto)?

Before the NHS was created? Before old age pensions were created? Bl**dy h**l. Schools were private, there were public ones but for up to 10 only. Run as charities by the parrish like the workhouse I suppose.

The private sector has always exitsted. Public sector was a recent development. When those of us who worked had a conscience unlike the spongers of today.

BTW, I have worked 12 hour shifts in hospital (some unpaid) and have gone to university (and paid for it- not got it free) and worked trying to teach teenage girls computer skills instead of baby making. For free (ie mean to them- I expect they were paid to be there- I was not paid).


the mind boggles about you socialists/marxists and what you believe the rest of us do or think. If I was a betting person (and unlike the rest of my family I do not gamble) i'd say I have twice as much or more voluntary time on my 'books' than you socialist types out there. HALF of which was racked up when I was a poor student (could have spent those hours earning the min at Mc D's but chose to help others), and the rest later. You guys on the blood donors resiter? What about organs?

probably not. To much talk, no action. Too much drinking down your local working man's/union whatever. Typical.

cyclonebri1

CLAPTON wrote: »

interesting really

lets take two teachers with similar education, age etc etc

one works in a state school so is a parasite who adds nothing to the country and just takes takes takes and just a burden on society

the other works in a private school, so is an absolute paragon of virtue, doing a REAL job as it's private rather than public and adding great wealth to the nation

or we could take two nurses, one working in the state sector and one in the private

still we must be grateful that we no longer have parasitic ugly ducklings working in gas, electricity or water industies as that have all become swans in the private sector

That's a belief of your own fabrication. That is not the view I'm airing or anyone else from what I've read.

There was a time when the Public sector pensions could be afforded, it was at the same time that the private manufacturing sector was bouyant.

But times have changed, China and India etc have made those changes and facts have to be faced.
As many posters have said you can't have a poor public sector and a rich private sector and vice versa, they depend on each other.

This is simply a catching up that for some reason the government allowed to failed to feel the effect of even though it was obvious to almost everyone else. Pensions were watered down, wages frozen or cut in industry while everything was hunky dory at the "council". Ostrich syndrome at it's best.

Your analogy isn't in the least bit accurate and I'm sure is not how similar workers on either side of the fence see each other, but don't expect support for your actions, the opposite is much more likely.

Moby

atush;46968791]Geeze Louse I can't beleive this Cr*pola???? Did any of you out there actually go to school and learn anything (apart from the manifesto)?

Wow...nasty!

Before the NHS was created? Before old age pensions were created? Bl**dy h**l. Schools were private, there were public ones but for up to 10 only. Run as charities by the parrish like the workhouse I suppose.

Feeling nostalgic Atush?;)

The private sector has always exitsted. Public sector was a recent development. When those of us who worked had a conscience unlike the spongers of today.

'Spongers of today'.......wow!

BTW, I have worked 12 hour shifts in hospital (some unpaid) and have gone to university (and paid for it- not got it free) and worked trying to teach teenage girls computer skills instead of baby making. For free (ie mean to them- I expect they were paid to be there- I was not paid).

Seems strange how you afforded that 1 Million barn conversion!;)

the mind boggles about you socialists/marxists and what you believe the rest of us do or think. If I was a betting person (and unlike the rest of my family I do not gamble) i'd say I have twice as much or more voluntary time on my 'books' than you socialist types out there. HALF of which was racked up when I was a poor student (could have spent those hours earning the min at Mc D's but chose to help others), and the rest later. You guys on the blood donors resiter? What about organs?

probably not. To much talk, no action. Too much drinking down your local working man's/union whatever. Typical

This paragraph brought a tear to my eye..... hammered out on the keyboard with so much righteous indignation:eek:

All the prejudices realy do come out don't they when its anonymous. Cyclonebri1...... you really should have a word with yourself! Look what you've started.