Should gay marrige be allowed?

essex1990

youropinioncounts wrote: »

As long as they are male and female it is fine.

I am not saying you need to be married to have kids but if you follow religion you would.

so really your saying my opinion doesn't count, because you have made up your mind. Despite the fact that you are in the minority which is quite evident from your poll.

I told you that my local reverend has told me nowhere does it say in the new testament (the bit about jesus!) does it condemn nor condone homosexuality. I tend to believe my local reverend then the words of some weird religious nutcase online that thinks god agrees with everything they say despite not having any evidence to back it up.

youropinioncounts

essex1990 wrote: »

so really your saying my opinion doesn't count, because you have made up your mind. Despite the fact that you are in the minority which is quite evident from your poll.

I told you that my local reverend has told me nowhere does it say in the new testament (the bit about jesus!) does it condone homosexuality. I tend to believe my local reverend then the words of some weird religious nutcase online that thinks god agrees with everything they say despite not having any evidence to back it up.

I am not a "weird religious nut" people have gut instincts and mine is marrige is between a man and woman.

redped

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

When the statements in question are utterly outdated

In your opinion, which you are entitled to.

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

and clearly wrong

Again, in your opinion, which you are entitled to.

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

then "nut" is the operative word.

But when you call a religious person a "religious nut" it is an insult. Likewise, calling a gay person a "homosexual nut" is an insult.

You didn't answer my question - do you consider the phrase "homosexual nut" to be insulting?

essex1990

youropinioncounts wrote: »

I am not a "weird religious nut" people have gut instincts and mine is marrige is between a man and woman.

You are ignoring the rest of my post then about trusting my REVEREND over someone who is using their religion to justify their own homophobia.

poet123

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

:rotfl: It gets better

Not quite sure what you mean here, but I suspect it is that everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as they share yours

johnnyboyrebel

poet123 wrote: »

Not quite sure what you mean here, but I suspect it is that everyone is entitled to an opinion as long as they share yours

Not at all obviously. Anyone with common sense (the majority as the poll states) will agree that this whole thread subject is a complete no brainer.

Any religious, bigotted opinion is unwanted in this day in age. You can sure think what you like but you can keep it to yourself as it is clearly wrong and in the minority therefore nobody wants to hear it.

This is exactly what religion does, why anyone would allow themselves to be brainwashed into this is utterly baffling.

Enough already from me and from anyone else on the subject. Gay people should be able to get married if they so wish, end of.

johnnyboyrebel

redped wrote: »

In your opinion

In anyone with half a brain's opinion. F'ing hell, get a grip.

Being brought up with this rammed down my throat makes me more against it now than most.

poet123

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

It's not an insult, its a kick up the !!!! that anyone with this mentality needs. I can't help but think that anyone who subscribes to a religion so intensively is missing something from their life.

And others think differently.

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

In anyone with half a brain's opinion. F'ing hell, get a grip.

Being brought up with this rammed down my throat makes me more against it now than most.

Then perhaps your quarrel is with your family, and not religion per se?

johnnyboyrebel wrote: »

Not at all obviously. Anyone with common sense (the majority as the poll states) will agree that this whole thread subject is a complete no brainer.

Any religious, bigotted opinion is unwanted in this day in age. You can sure think what you like but you can keep it to yourself as it is clearly wrong and in the minority therefore nobody wants to hear it.

This is exactly what religion does, why anyone would allow themselves to be brainwashed into this is utterly baffling.
Enough already from me and from anyone else on the subject. Gay people should be able to get married if they so wish, end of.

I am not sure you are the arbiter of who comments on this thread or how. You may believe that to be the case, but that is not how it is.

Bigotry exists in all walks of life, the religious can evidence it as can the non religious. It may suit you to believe those who have a faith are brainwashed and do not choose of their own free will to believe, because it suits you, does not make it so.;)

My belief is that civil partnerships fulfill the necessary function for gay people, and I certainly have no issue with that. However, I also think that churches should have the right to refuse a religious aspect to such a partnership in accordance with their tenets. I don't believe either camp should force their opinions or beliefs on the other.

Just as I don't believe any poster should be gratuitously rude to those who do not share his opinions, regardless of how strongly they are held. Nor should he attempt to silence others who disagree with him.

This is a forum, diverse opinion is allowed.

essex1990

poet123 wrote: »

And others think differently.



Then perhaps your quarrel is with your family, and not religion per se?



I am not sure you are the arbiter of who comments on this thread or how. You may believe that to be the case, but that is not how it is.

Bigotry exists in all walks of life, the religious can evidence it as can the non religious. It may suit you to believe those who have a faith are brainwashed and do not choose of their own free will to believe, because it suits you, does not make it so.;)

My belief is that civil partnerships fulfill the necessary function for gay people, and I certainly have no issue with that. However, I also think that churches should have the right to refuse a religious aspect to such a partnership in accordance with their tenets. I don't believe either camp should force their opinions or beliefs on the other.

Just as I don't believe any poster should be gratuitously rude to those who do not share his opinions, regardless of how strongly they are held. Nor should he attempt to silence others who disagree with him.

This is a forum, diverse opinion is allowed.

This IS NOT about whether they can have a church wedding though ... this is about whether they are a allowed a "civil marriage" BUT if they are both religious and they regularly attend church, why should what some people from the religion think deny them the right to be married in a house of their OWN god?

MamaMoo_2

essex1990 wrote: »

This IS NOT about whether they can have a church wedding though ... this is about whether they are a allowed a "civil marriage" BUT if they are both religious and they regularly attend church, why should what some people from the religion think deny them the right to be married in a house of their OWN god?

I'd say it depends on whether the priest etc would be happy and comfortable with performing a ceremony for two homosexuals.
If a religion, or a sect of a religion, condemns such an act, then it's unfair to force them to perform a marriage ceremony.
However, if the priest or whoever has no moral issues about performing said ceremony, then go for it.
My priest would be morally against performing such a ceremony, but other Catholic priests may not be, and as long as the priest etc is happy to perform the ceremony, no-one should have the right to stop them from doing so.

What annoys me is that religions such as Paganism, who are Wholeheartedly happy to perform a homosexual marriage ceremony with a religious element are not allowed to do so, an that's a total pi*s take.

No religion should be forced to allow homosexual marriages, but equally, no religion should be denied the ability to perform such a ceremony.

I also think it's disgusting that homosexual people cannot legally be classed as being 'married'. It's so petty. "Ok, you can have all the same legal rights as straight couples, but you can't legally declare yourself married"
I doubt many people get married for the tax breaks and the legal implications, so much as they do for love, and to 'be married'. To deny any homosexual the right to legally say "We're married" is just pathetic.

I know that what makes me proudest is being "Mrs. X" or "X's Wife". I still get excited when I say "I'm married" or tick the "married" box on a questionnaire. It's sad, I know, but it's the best part, and a part that homosexuals should be able to enjoy just as much as heterosexuals.