Should gay marrige be allowed?

fluffnutter

TheSaint wrote: »

What a load of complete crap. The whole of point of religion is to TAKE responsibilty for your own actions. I will stand up and be counted on this issue and will not shift the "blame" for believing it to my church. That is why so many Christians of the early church were stoned or burnt to death - because they refused to bow to "peer" pressure.

Christ said - love everyone - that includes anyone that is gay or whatever. He said love people, not their sins. The distinction is quite clear.

What makes me mad is when so called Christians try to say that being gay is ok. The two do not mix. If you want to be gay - then thats fine, just don't pretend to follow a bible you must either have never read or ignore parts you don't like.

Don't go ask your "priest" either, work it out for yourself by reading the bible (and pray to God).

I don't care if they want marriage - they just can't have a Christian one because it goes against Christianity (and muslims would say the same too).

I wonder if you'd think being gay was OK if you weren't a Christian. According to you the only reason that being gay is not OK is because the Bible says so. If you were an atheist, would you still condemn gay people? Or wouldn't it matter?

And I must remember to tell my vicar friend that he's going to burn in hell for not having a problem with gay people! He'd be interested in your views. I'll tell my Franciscan tertiary friend too. She's incredibly devout but feels totally OK with gay people. I wonder what she'd think about burning in hell! Probably nothing, tbh. These are intelligent people and they've heard all this bigoted claptrap before.

TheSaint_2

fluffnutter wrote: »

I wonder if you'd think being gay was OK if you weren't a Christian. According to you the only reason that being gay is not OK is because the Bible says so. If you were an atheist, would you still condemn gay people? Or wouldn't it matter?

I would still believe/say the gay person was wrong, but it wouldn't make me mad, nor would I try to force that person to change their belief. I may well share my opinion, as they would be entitled to do with me in a civil way.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, religous or otherwise and should not be allowed to force it on others. For the purpose of this thread though I do not agree with a gay person getting married in a Christian church - due to the rules of Christianity. They can get married where ever else they fancy.

I also love the way that anyone who believes outside the "norm" is called a bigot. I could call you a bigot for being so zealous in your belief to the point of putting me down for mine. As I have stated - you can get on with your life without any hinderance from me for being Gay - that is not bigotry. If i tried to stop you.. then that is a different matter. Plus to use the true meaning of the word bigot I would have to be a hyprocrite.. and as I am not gay I don't see how that could be possible

fluffnutter

TheSaint wrote: »

I would still believe/say the gay person was wrong, but it wouldn't make me mad, nor would I try to force that person to change their belief. I may well share my opinion, as they would be entitled to do with me in a civil way.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, religous or otherwise and should not be allowed to force it on others. For the purpose of this thread though I do not agree with a gay person getting married in a Christian church - due to the rules of Christianity. They can get married where ever else they fancy.

I still don't get it though. Why do some religious people condemn homosexuality and others not? If this is about faith then why don't all Christians condemn gay people?

It's not about faith though is it. Some people just don't like it. The reasons they use come from anyway. For you, it just happens to be the Bible.

When I ask my incredibly devout friends why they don't have a problem with it, citing the argument that 'it says in the Bible that gay people are bad', they just smile and say 'but the Bible was written in a different time and reflects the culture of that time'. Just as they don't believe that we all descended from Adam and Eve. Honestly, people are believe that are just loons. But if you're going to be all black and white about the gay thing, then surely you have to be about everything? Either the Bible's interpretative or it's not.

Torry_Quine

TheSaint wrote: »

As a Christian - I try to follow Gods commandments,
Just because popular belief is to allow it does not make it right.

I've taken out the piece I don't believe but the rest is absolutely right.

TheSaint wrote: »

What a load of complete crap. The whole of point of religion is to TAKE responsibilty for your own actions. I will stand up and be counted on this issue and will not shift the "blame" for believing it to my church. That is why so many Christians of the early church were stoned or burnt to death - because they refused to bow to "peer" pressure.

Christ said - love everyone - that includes anyone that is gay or whatever. He said love people, not their sins. The distinction is quite clear.

What makes me mad is when so called Christians try to say that being gay is ok. The two do not mix. If you want to be gay - then thats fine, just don't pretend to follow a bible you must either have never read or ignore parts you don't like.

Don't go ask your "priest" either, work it out for yourself by reading the bible (and pray to God).

I don't care if they want marriage - they just can't have a Christian one because it goes against Christianity (and muslims would say the same too).

It is always wise to look into religion and not follow blindly.

fluffnutter wrote: »

I wonder if you'd think being gay was OK if you weren't a Christian. According to you the only reason that being gay is not OK is because the Bible says so. If you were an atheist, would you still condemn gay people? Or wouldn't it matter?

And I must remember to tell my vicar friend that he's going to burn in hell for not having a problem with gay people! He'd be interested in your views. I'll tell my Franciscan tertiary friend too. She's incredibly devout but feels totally OK with gay people. I wonder what she'd think about burning in hell! Probably nothing, tbh. These are intelligent people and they've heard all this bigoted claptrap before.

I can't say what my views on homosexuality would be if I were an atheist but I can say that my objections are not just religious but the fact that biologically is just isn't right.

Torry_Quine

fluffnutter wrote: »

I still don't get it though. Why do some religious people condemn homosexuality and others not? If this is about faith then why don't all Christians condemn gay people?

It's not about faith though is it. Some people just don't like it. The reasons they use come from anyway. For you, it just happens to be the Bible.

When I ask my incredibly devout friends why they don't have a problem with it, citing the argument that 'it says in the Bible that gay people are bad', they just smile and say 'but the Bible was written in a different time and reflects the culture of that time'. Just as they don't believe that we all descended from Adam and Eve. Honestly, people are believe that are just loons. But if you're going to be all black and white about the gay thing, then surely you have to be about everything? Either the Bible's interpretative or it's not.

The reason some Christians don't oppose homosexuality I would suggest is because they have become too worldly and have come away from the truth as God intended.

By the way here a loon is the term for a boy!

fluffnutter

TheSaint wrote: »

I also love the way that anyone who believes outside the "norm" is called a bigot. I could call you a bigot for being so zealous in your belief to the point of putting me down for mine.

Maybe. Technically perhaps we're both bigoted. But I'm not the one condemning people to burn in hell. Which seems a little mean, really.

pmduk

I don't believe anyone is suggesting the universal ability to be married in church. I think people should marry/register somewhere that is important to them. In my case it would to be unlikely to be a religious establishment of any variety/denomination.

TheSaint_2

fluffnutter wrote: »

I still don't get it though. Why do some religious people condemn homosexuality and others not? If this is about faith then why don't all Christians condemn gay people?

It's not about faith though is it. Some people just don't like it. The reasons they use come from anyway. For you, it just happens to be the Bible.

When I ask my incredibly devout friends why they don't have a problem with it, citing the argument that 'it says in the Bible that gay people are bad', they just smile and say 'but the Bible was written in a different time and reflects the culture of that time'. Just as they don't believe that we all descended from Adam and Eve. Honestly, people are believe that are just loons. But if you're going to be all black and white about the gay thing, then surely you have to be about everything? Either the Bible's interpretative or it's not.

We are getting beyond the OP on this one, but yes you are essentially correct. The bible was written in a different time - hence it not talking about internet !!!!!! But truth does not change, if it is wrong it is wrong, simple as that.

Not all Christians condemn homosexuality because not all Christians really are Christians - because they do not believe in the bible nor Christs teachings. You can't cherry pick the bits you like. As Christ said - you are either for me or against me - he that is luke warm will be spewed out of his mouth (not a nice image). I would imagine 99% of Christians have never read the bible (I have several times).

fluffnutter

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I can't say what my views on homosexuality would be if I were an atheist but I can say that my objections are not just religious but the fact that biologically is just isn't right.

Lots of things aren't biologically right though. You could argue that ultimately interfering with any biological process is wrong - including healing disease.

TheSaint_2

fluffnutter wrote: »

Maybe. Technically perhaps we're both bigoted. But I'm not the one condemning people to burn in hell. Which seems a little mean, really.

Maybe, but if the net effect of jumping off a cliff is death - are you bigoted for telling people it will happen if they do so?