Should gay marrige be allowed?

peachyprice

This'll make your day OP :j

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14960357

esuhl

MamaMoo wrote: »

I was raised a Catholic...

I imagine that you were raised to believe in Father Christmas too, but that doesn't in any way mean that you therefore believe in him now, does it?

MamaMoo wrote: »

I don't believe in the story of Adam and Eve... I do believe that the Bible is the word of God...

Say what?! How can that not be a logical contradiction?! You think God was a bullsh**tter?!

MamaMoo wrote: »

...and therefore I believe that his stance on homosexuality etc is as it is in the Bible, however just because I believe in a God, it does not mean I have to agree with Him on every point.

If you believed in a Catholic God, then you would not want to disagree with him!

Anyway... you don't necessarily agree with God on every issue and don't rely on scripture to form your moral opinions. In other words, you have your own moral compass that is separate from the one imposed by your purported religion. So if you object to homosexuality, it's either because you yourself object to it for your own reasons, or you're arbitrarily appealing to authority - an authority which you don't know exists.

If you yourself object to homosexuality, you really need to explain why because such a position seems indefensible. And if you are "just carrying out orders" given to you by an authority figure such as God, you really need to be certain of his existence, as your prejuduces may well turn out to be unjustified, and you alone will be responsible for your immoral beliefs and actions if, indeed, he doesn't exist.

MamaMoo wrote: »

I personally find homosexuality perfectly acceptable.

See? You've lost me again. You find homosexuality perfectly acceptable but you "believe that {God's} stance on homosexuality etc is as it is in the Bible". That's got to be another logical contradiction!

MamaMoo wrote: »

I wouldn't class myself as Agnostic, as I believe in God. I cannot prove that my belief is correct, but it is my belief nonetheless.

If you believe in God and you believe that the Bible is the word of God, then you would have to be either foolish or evil to ignore selected parts of it... And if you retain the right to "veto" your support for certain parts of the Bible, yet choose not to excercise such a veto on the issue of homosexuality, then it can only be because of personal prejudices.

MamaMoo_2

As I said in my previous post. My religious beliefs are not up for discussion here. I believe what I believe, I am part of a Catholic church, a church which I play an active role in, and as a part of which I frequently profess my faith.
If you fail to understand why, as a Catholic, I reserve the right to also use my God-given free will to make my own judgements, then that's your issue, not mine.
The Bible is my moral guide. I use it, along with personal feelings, experiences etc to make a decision.
Also, I wasn't raised to believe in Father Christmas. Christmas has always been, and always will be, Jesus' birthday. That's what I was taught as a child. I also never had any bullish*t about the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy drilled into me, either. Sorry to disappoint.

jamespir

MamaMoo wrote: »

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Also, I wasn't raised to believe in Father Christmas. Christmas has always been, and always will be, Jesus' birthday. That's what I was taught as a child. I also never had any bullish*t about the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy drilled into me, either. Sorry to disappoint.

oh your childhood must have been fun:eek:

jamespir

MamaMoo wrote: »

Similarly, I cannot understand why a homosexual would want to affirm their relationship in front of a god who does not agree with their relationship (Assuming as above that belief in a religion, or branch of a religion, is belief in the ideas of their god as put forward in holy scriptures etc)

GOD has never said he apores homoseuality its peoples perception of a translation of articles written by priest in the past

MamaMoo_2

jamespir wrote: »

GOD has never said he apores homoseuality its peoples perception of a translation of articles written by priest in the past

Had you read my previous posts, I said that in my religion (Catholicism) people believe that the Bible is the word of God, so if a homosexual Catholic couple wanted to get married, they would believe that God abhors homosexuality, and in that case, I cannot understand why they would want their union affirmed in a church.



Also, my childhood was fantastic. I just knew why I was celebrating festivals, and I never had that horrible moment of realisation when one finds out Santa isn't real.
I was also never blackmailed with "if you misbehave, father Christmas won't come"

antrobus

MamaMoo wrote: »

Christmas has always been, and always will be, Jesus' birthday. That's what I was taught as a child. I also never had any bullish*t about the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy drilled into me, either. Sorry to disappoint.

Actually the one thing we can be certain about is that Jesus was not born on the 25th December, so unfortunately you were fed a little 'bullish*t' in your childhood that ranks up there with the Easter Bunny.

I'm not sure that it quite matters what opinion the Allmighty holds on the issue of gay marriage, what does matter is that the Current Administration is apparently 'committed' to changing the law to allow it sometime before 2015.

esuhl

MamaMoo wrote: »

I, as a Catholic, believe that the Bible is the word of God... There for... homosexuality as a sin.... {But} this is not a view I share.

You know that homosexuality is a sin but you think it isn't?! That doesn't make any sense. It's either immoral or it isn't. You can't have it both ways!

MamaMoo wrote: »

I have also gone against, or disagreed with, many other teachings of the Bible. It doesn't, however, stop me believing that the Bible is the word of God.

You believe in God and that the Bible is the word of God. But you believe that God is wrong in some of his teachings?! You are a Catholic who disagrees with God?! The God in the Bible isn't depicted as being fallible or deceptive. Either you're a Catholic and you believe that God is good and that he speaks the truth and should be followed (even if you are imperfect and slip up from time-to-time) or you do not believe in the Catholic interpretation of God, in which case you're not a Catholic.

MamaMoo wrote: »

{W}hen I got married, I did so in a non-religious ceremony, as I did not want to marry in front of a God who would disagree with my lifestyle choice, even if the physical and spiritual act of marriage was occurring between an 'accepted' coupling. (I'm not homosexual, but my husband and I are bisexual, and I didn't want my marriage condemned by my God.

So, as a Catholic, you want to exclude God from one of the most important aspects of your life. Do you think that God won't condemn your marriage or your life because you weren't on speaking terms with him during your marriage ceremony?

Okay, I promise I'll try not to go on about this any more... But please tell me that you have some understanding of why your stance on religion completely blows my mind! I mean, by your definition, I'm a Catholic too - like you I use my own free will to decide what is true, and have decided that God (as depicted in the Bible) doesn't exist.

Anyway, that's my lot... Cheers for being a good sport and trying to explain your beliefs. Despite my bewilderment, it's an interesting topic...
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clemmatis

Um. I doubt any Roman Catholics here follow the words of the Bible and the teachings of the Roman Church and the Pope's dictums one hundred per cent; and I've known gay Roman Catholics who were not celibate who were happy with the Church (a few reservations apart), and admired the previous Pope.

I've always rather liked John Amaechi's attitude to Bible-quoters (not aimed at Roman Catholics)

"It's the inconsistency I can't stand," he says. "If you're going to quote Leviticus, then don't eat shellfish or wear mixed fabrics. Poke your eye out if you look at women other than your wife ... then come to me."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/28/usa.americansports

QubiCity

Anyone that wants to be married should have the right to do so regardless of sexual orientation. So, yes :rotfl:.