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Landlord is terminally ill and has given notice!

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  • Try Shelter for some housing advice and someone like the CCCS for debt advice.

    Also try your local council as they will hold details of any schemes in your area that can help. My local council use to do a "deposit / moving loan" that anyone could apply for as they would just take it out of wages or benefits.
    Put yourself down on the housing list now (okay so you will more then likely get nothing but you really wont if you are not on it) ask local housing associations as well.
    Maybe look at something else in the mean time..IE living on a caravan site for 28 days if you have a caravan or seeing if there is a holiday let static caravan that is empty for a month or so and the owner is willing to let it for that period.

    Stick a notice on gumtree and local forums asking for properties
    There is a race of men that don't fit in; A race that can't stand still;
    So they break the hearts of kith and kin, and roam the world at will.

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  • poppysarah wrote: »
    It's not technically his own home at the moment.

    It will be sooner or later.

    Why should you offer less advice to someone being made homeless because of the landlord's position?

    Something that has started to bother me more and more is why has the LL's position (i.e the terminal illness) been mentioned at all? If the OP is on a periodic tenancy or even on an AST a s21 can be issued and no reason has to be given.

    If I was the LL I'd just have said I want to move into the property and wouldn't mention any illness.
    Errata wrote: »
    Because, in this case, of a little compassion and the consideration that Karma will bite your backside when you least want it to.

    What about compassion for the family with a young child that will be kicked out of their home? Compassion flows both ways!
    "One thing that is different, and has changed here, is the self-absorption, not just greed. Everybody is in a hurry now and there is a 'the rules don't apply to me' sort of thing." - Bill Bryson
  • If the landlords situation is genuine he may have wished to go down the friendly route rather than issuing legal notices and so on as OP has been a good tenant and he does not want to offend her or suggest he wants her gone because he doesn't like her.

    With regard to a council house there is no income requirement, a billionaire can have one provided they get to the top of the list. However in London the list is probably massive and even with priority they may just get a B&B like someone said. The OP needs to ring Shelter for advice, they will write a letter for her to give to the council about her situation and why she deserves priority. I did some temp work there once and often people who were eligible for help were turned away by councils because they have a target of turning people down and the letters helped them to get priority. I don't actually think a court has to order her out provided the landlord will provide a letter to say on x date she will be homeless that is sufficient in most cases (but my info is a few years old).
  • Errata
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    What about compassion for the family with a young child that will be
    kicked out of their home? Compassion flows both ways!
    Those who rent live with the knowledge that their tenancy may not be renewed, so they're in a situation where their eyes are widen open to what can happen. Knowledge of impending death is somewhat different.
    .................:)....I'm smiling because I have no idea what's going on ...:)
  • dancingfairy
    dancingfairy Posts: 9,069 Forumite
    edited 11 September 2011 at 4:57PM
    Hi - I think you really need to sort out those debts. You say you can manage but then said that you're scrabbling around to pay the rent at the moment.
    I would strongly consider not paying the cards (Barclays, Santander and Egg)at the moment - that would save you 600-700 a month (and you've got at least 1 clear month) - this will go someway towards helping with removal costs.
    I think given that your credit ratings are not great that you might struglle to get somewhere through an agency anyway so I think you will be better off finding a private landlord who might be more sympathetic to your situation. I don't think missing the payments on the cards is going to cause much more damage.
    Having said that obviously if you can arrange something with the landlord where you get your deposit back earlier then that will help.
    Once you've moved house I'd be inclined to perhaps set up some form of dmp. I hope you are in some sort of repayment arrangement with the tax man though as they can and may try and bankrupt you for that level of debt.
    Do have a chat with the debt charities though and see what they suggest.
    Best of Luck and I hope you get things sorted.
    df
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  • OP - does 14 November coincide with when your AST period ends?
  • ceridwen
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    poppysarah wrote: »
    A cynical person might say he's being encouraged to get rid of you so the house is empty when he pops off so his family can sell it for more than with tenants.

    You've got to do what's right for your family. Which is probably in your circumstances make him evict you.

    Discuss it with him perhaps though - say it's nothing personal and whilst you appreciate his predicament he has to appreciate yours.


    ...and a nicer person might say "Maybe the family havent even thought about what will happen to the house eventually on the one hand OR if they have then perhaps they need it to live in themselves (eg because they dont own a home of their own yet) on the other hand".

    So - its okay to be nasty and selfish to a dying person if one says "Its nothing personal mate" when you tell them that you propose to hold out on them?:eek:. Now - come on - I'm pretty cynical by now (I've seen too much nastiness to be idealistic as per my youth) - but that thought of "What happens afterwards....?" hadnt even occurred to me and I very much doubt this is a factor in the landlords considerations. He just wants to be in his home, near his family forgawdsake.
  • ceridwen
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    edited 12 September 2011 at 7:14AM
    poppysarah wrote: »


    A terminally ill person isn't going to be living on their own if they are very near the end. They will need family or hospice care.
    If he has family close by why doesn't he move in with them?

    .

    ...and your reason for saying they wouldnt live on their own if terminally ill is precisely what???? What evidence do you have to quote that the mere fact of being terminally ill means a person wouldnt live on their own?

    The family will have enough problems dealing with this situation anyway without both them and the landlord being forced into a situation where he HAD to live with them - and maybe their home isnt big enough for someone else to come and live with them anyway? I can assure you that if ever I became terminally ill (fingers crossed that wont happen) that I, for one, would continue to live on my own exactly as I do now.

    Seems to me that you have a LOT of cynicism - but not much "heart".

    EDIT: Have seen that the daughter lives just down the road - and that being the case then obviously there would be no requirement anyway for the landlord to move in with family and he can perfectly well continue to live in his own home (ie the house in question) right up till the end.
  • Pink.
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    edited 12 September 2011 at 2:43PM
    poppysarah wrote: »

    A terminally ill person isn't going to be living on their own if they are very near the end. They will need family or hospice care.
    If he has family close by why doesn't he move in with them?
    ceridwen wrote: »
    ...and your reason for saying they wouldnt live on their own if terminally ill is precisely what???? What evidence do you have to quote that the mere fact of being terminally ill means a person wouldnt live on their own?

    .

    ceridwen,

    I think that what poppysarah actually said was that ''A terminally ill person isn't going to be living on their own if they are very near the end.''

    I suspect that the 'evidence' you are asking poppysarah for is probably from personal experience. Do you have any experience of nursing someone who is terminally ill or what they and their carers go through?

    I have many years experience of caring for terminally ill people both in hospital and in their own homes. It's not appropriate to go into graphic detail on this thread, but if a person chooses to remain at home until the end, the care required (not only physical but also emotional) by family and/or friends is round the clock and can put those family and friends under tremendous strain....even with a great deal of input and assistance from health professionals. That kind of care couldn't possibly be carried out from a distance (particularly towards the end), even if that distance is just down the road.

    Sorry op, for taking your thread off topic but the above post was ridiculous and ill informed and I just couldn't sit on my hands. :o

    Pink
  • theartfullodger
    theartfullodger Posts: 15,755 Forumite
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    edited 12 September 2011 at 2:57PM
    No doubt any genuinely ill individual would have no issue providing medical evidence on a confidential basis to OP's solicitor .. and if LL declines to I think we know what will be going on.

    Agree with mustrum.... why isn't LL using S21 or other standard routes?? If I were terminally ill (rather than "guaranteed to die sometime" - all birth certificates come with that guarantee...) I suspect I'd be much more interested in having fun/seeing people/getting drunk/exploring new "active horizontal social life" partners/pain relief/whatever than moving back into an old rental property.

    In my mind the agent's story doesn't add up: Sadly there is substantial history of letting agents spinning tenants any old !!!!-and-bull story and poor tenant saying "Oh, OK, we'll go then...." when there was something else going on...

    If the LL is genuinely terminally ill and has an unaccountable emotional attachment to the rental place, apologies to him & my sympathy for his predicament...
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