Mobile home on own land???

clutton_2

"parking" and "living in" and two entirely different matters. Parking does not need planning consent - "living in" it on a permanentn basis does.

prudryden

clutton wrote:

"parking" and "living in" and two entirely different matters. Parking does not need planning consent - "living in" it on a permanentn basis does.

Yep. You're right. Besides if you have more than one person in the mobile - it will probably have to be registered and licensed as an HMO.

MickKnipfler

We are talking about a mobile home and not a motorhome here right?

prudryden

MickKnipfler wrote:

We are talking about a mobile home and not a motorhome here right?

I must admit - the vision I had was that of a motorhome which moved under its own power and carried its own kitchen, shower, and bed. I used to call them mobile homes because they moved. Hadn't thought about the other type - the ones that need towed. Sorry about that.

MickKnipfler

A mobile home is more like a small bungalow that is transported in a trailer. They're never towed. They do hace wheels but only for manouvering them around on site.

seven-day-weekend

If you wanted to permanently site what is usually called a 'mobile home/residential caravan/park home/chalet' on the land you would need planning permission.

A motorhome which could be (and is ) moved every so often and not connected to any mains services? Hmm. Difficult. (Will have to consult my colleague).

(Up until September 2004 I spent six years in general Town Planning and four years in Enforcement. My colleague has spent 25 years in Enforcement and still works in that capacity. I'll ask him. Watch this space.).

Debt_Free_Chick

clutton wrote:

"parking" and "living in" and two entirely different matters. Parking does not need planning consent - "living in" it on a permanentn basis does.

A single caravan/mobile home parked on the driveway to the house, or the garden or any other part of residential land doesn't need planning permission.

Not so sure about "parking" one on agricultural land. I would speak to planning about that one too as the storage of mobile homes is not, strictly speaking, agricultural use. Certainly, the farm next to me had to apply for planning permission to store caravans in their barn!!!

nattybone

Such a big thanks for your replies.

Just to confirm:

I am thinking about a static/mobile/park home with 3 beds.

I have 2 road access points to the fields in its own right.

the current planning is for personal equestrian use ie not for commercial equestrian use(like a livery yard or riding school)

I already have electric and water supply down there and a tank which i could connect to for sewerage or we would have to put a tank in which would have to be emptied.

I like the idea about selling the house and applying for permission on security for horses grounds but thought it had to be a more pressing issue for the planners?

For the future I do not want to build a house down there but my understanding is that if we get a 3-5 year licence for the static/mobile home then residential planning can follow quite easily? I think thats what the planners get so frightened about with giving out mobile home licences?!

I have got some lovely neighbours who i do not want to irritate....I was thinking I would place the mobile where they cannot see it so may be able to just go ahead and do it? Maybe chat to them first and get their ok as the very first step?

What about council tax and addresses etc what happens to being on the electoral role if its not an official residence? Or does it become one by you having bills and correspondance sent there?

What happens if we still dont leave after an enforcement notice? Jail? Fines? Beatings?

Big ta again....

Debt_Free_Chick

nattybone wrote:

Such a big thanks for your replies.

Just to confirm:

I am thinking about a static/mobile/park home with 3 beds.

I have 2 road access points to the fields in its own right.

the current planning is for personal equestrian use ie not for commercial equestrian use(like a livery yard or riding school)

I already have electric and water supply down there and a tank which i could connect to for sewerage or we would have to put a tank in which would have to be emptied.

I like the idea about selling the house and applying for permission on security for horses grounds but thought it had to be a more pressing issue for the planners?

I can't see this happening. A commercial business might get permission to site a mobile home for security use, but you would have to demonstrate a genuine security risk. You won't get permission for a "just in case someone decides to steal the horses". Again, a business (vehicle recovery) had to go to appeal to get permission to site a mobile home for security purposes in their yard (not even a field!!) - it took them about 3 years to win and must have cost £'000s. They even had to get reports from the police - but they had been subject to numerous break-ins & vandalism over a number of years.

So ... you need to demonstrate a genuine need for security.

For the future I do not want to build a house down there but my understanding is that if we get a 3-5 year licence for the static/mobile home then residential planning can follow quite easily? I think thats what the planners get so frightened about with giving out mobile home licences?!

Sorry, but I don't think you will get a license. There is no genuine need for placing a mobile home on agricultural land - and you must demonstrate the need. A need for housing is not valid - if you need housing, you have to go through the housing channels

Planners are frightened of mobile homes - once a mobile home has been in place for 12 years, then they have no option but to allow the land to be converted to residential use and then development (house building) can usually follow.

I have got some lovely neighbours who i do not want to irritate....I was thinking I would place the mobile where they cannot see it so may be able to just go ahead and do it? Maybe chat to them first and get their ok as the very first step?

It doesn't matter if your neighbours agree. The national planning guidance does not allow agricultural land to be used for residential development (with one exception - see below).

What about council tax and addresses etc what happens to being on the electoral role if its not an official residence? Or does it become one by you having bills and correspondance sent there?

You only get these things by creating a bona-fide residential dwelling. The address is allocated by the local council.

What happens if we still dont leave after an enforcement notice? Jail? Fines? Beatings?

Big ta again....

The enforcement notice will be to remove the mobile home from the land and it's a Court document. So I think that if you ignore it, you could be in contempt of Court and - ultimately - that can lead to a prison sentence. I think (but not sure) that the Council can physically remove the mobile home, but quite how/when they would do this is anyone's guess!

The only exception to residential development on agricultural land is where there is a need to house a farm worker. You would need to submit a business plan showing how the land is worked; and why a full-time farm worker is necessary. You might then get permission to build a modest farm-worker's cottage - but it would contain a condition that the property can only be occupied by the worker who is employed to work on the farm/land.

In general - no residential development on agricultural land - and that includes mobile homes & caravans.

Have you spoken to the planning department?

nattybone

not yet spoken to the planners as think what you say is spot on and afraid to hear it officially!

the only thing is that i was under the impression that use for agricultural was not the same class as equestrian as we had to get the planning specifically changed from ag to eq when we got permission for the stables. it got them two sets of fees for planning app!