We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

Statutory Periodic Tenancy

Hi all,

My last tenant stayed past the agreed tenancy end date which I believe means she entered into a statutory periodic tenancy ?

She left about 7 days into the following months rental period and failed to provide any notice to me in writing or otherwise as to when she intended to leave, but simply advised me that she had gone and that was that.

I had served notice on her that I wanted her to leave 3 months in advance in writing and in an email.

Rent was paid on a monthly basis.

My question is:

Am I entitled to claim for 1 months rent from her under the implied status of a statutory periodic tenancy, and if so are there any pit falls I need to watch out for if I make this claim under small claims ?

I am aware of the following ;

Notice by Tenant

Where the tenancy has become a Statutory Periodic Tenancy (where the fixed-term has ended and no new agreement signed for another fixed-term) the tenant must give the landlord notice if he wants to leave:

The notice must be in writing
It must be delivered at least 4 weeks before the notice period ends or 1 month if rent is paid monthly
It must bring the tenancy to an end at the end of a full rent period.
«134

Comments

  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    edited 3 September 2011 at 12:01AM
    Oh my god another thread trebor?

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3457839

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3462095

    I assume this is the same tenant? Same dispute? or should I say same spam?
  • lived
    lived Posts: 36 Forumite
    G_M - what is your problem with these threads...? If you don't have anything to add why comment....?
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    As I said on a previous thread:
    skimmed through the other thread I can see why this new one was started: OP was not getting the answers he wanted so hopes he'll get different answers this time, by posing the question slightly differently.

    but you're probobly right. I'll refrain.
  • Trebor01 wrote: »
    My last tenant stayed past the agreed tenancy end date which I believe means she entered into a statutory periodic tenancy ?
    If this was an AST tenant and she didn't vacate at fixed term expiry, then yes, a statutory periodic tenancy would automatically arise on the day after fixed term expiry.
    She left about 7 days into the following months rental period and failed to provide any notice to me in writing or otherwise as to when she intended to leave, but simply advised me that she had gone and that was that.
    ...
    My question is:

    Am I entitled to claim for 1 months rent from her under the implied status of a statutory periodic tenancy, and if so are there any pit falls I need to watch out for if I make this claim under small claims ?
    The T must give at least one month's notice and it must expire at the end of a tenancy period. The tenancy periods begin the day after the fixed term expired, and their length is based on the frequency with which rent is payable. E.g. if the term was six months commencing 15th January, with rent payable monthly, then the SPT would begin on 15th July with tenancy periods running 15th - 14th of the month.

    Using this theoretical example, if the T vacated on 22nd August, she would be liable for rent in lieu of notice up to 14th October (because that is the earliest her notice could expire if she had given notice on 22nd August).
  • Mayfair - perfect thank you ever so much.
  • lived
    lived Posts: 36 Forumite
    GM - And it appears to have worked !!!

    Great answer from May_fair which actually helps me to, so thank you May_fair.
  • anselld
    anselld Posts: 8,684 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    However, if you have already served notice the T does not need to give notice but simply leave on the required date. So in order to claim a further month you would need to prove that the T stayed beyond the notice date.
  • Trebor01
    Trebor01 Posts: 234 Forumite
    anselld - Yes I can prove the tenant stayed beyond the notice date.
  • anselld wrote: »
    However, if you have already served notice the T does not need to give notice but simply leave on the required date. So in order to claim a further month you would need to prove that the T stayed beyond the notice date.

    No, that is not correct.
    If a valid notice was served, stating that the LL required the property to be returned, then it would have stated after XYZ date.
    In this case, the tenant can lease without given notice to the LL as the LL has already provided notice to the tenant.

    I really don't see what the point of this thread is, the OP wanted the property back, they got it!!
  • moromir
    moromir Posts: 1,854 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    I really don't see what the point of this thread is, the OP wanted the property back, they got it!!

    By the sound of the other threads - its tit for tat - the OP didn't get the answer he wanted at dispute resolution and by the look of it is now trying to have the tenant for another month's rent to make up for it?
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.6K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 245.2K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 600.9K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.5K Life & Family
  • 259K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.