Support thread for parents of chilldren sitting the transfer test in 2011

confused_mummy_3

But I thought the Sats were set around Easter time after the transfer tests in November maybe im wrong I cant remember

leftieM

They are but the results should be reasonably consistent through KS2 (P5-P7) so you can look at the P5/P6 scores and have an idea of how a child is doing in maths and english and how they might do in the AQE CEA.

travellinglight_2

leftieM wrote: »

They are but the results should be reasonably consistent through KS2 (P5-P7) so you can look at the P5/P6 scores and have an idea of how a child is doing in maths and english and how they might do in the AQE CEA.

So a child with scores of 101 and 116 in p5 and 110 and 109 in p6 is not doing as well when they gey 103 in their aqe??

travellinglight_2

incidentally his sas score in the g ltransfer assessment for maths was 109 and english 129 ... bringing 238 total which was a gl result of grade A makes it look like his 103 in the aqe was an underperformance??? If so how can I put this correctly to make a case? Thanks

leftieM

I'd say the results correlate well. Approx 109 average in both P5 and P6 and then 103 in the CEA. The CEA only goes up to 127 from what I've read (but could be wrong here) whereas the PiM and PiE go up to 140+, so I'd anticipate that the AQE score would be less than the PiE/PiM score.
I'm just working with a tiny set of numbers here so I could be way off the mark.
I know nothing about the GL except that it and the AQE are thought not to be comparable according to what I've read on here.

I think your best strategy is to get your hands on the AQE class average and how your child compared and then look at the SATs class average and how your child compared there and hope that there is a difference which would support your case that your child underperformed.

confused_mummy_3

Oh ignore me I blame my baby brain

Our school only gave results for sats in P4 and P7 I think :mad:

I believe we really cant guess how a child is going to perform. I seen very intelligent children screaming with nerves and not even able to sit the exam on transfer day, I seen pupils who would have been in the middle band of my sons school do extremely well and out preform the children in the top band of the class. One child in particular her mother was very worried about her and was even go to pull her out at the last minute because her scores were in and around the 50% mark come away with an score of 108.

RikM

leftieM wrote: »

I'd say the results correlate well. Approx 109 average in both P5 and P6 and then 103 in the CEA. The CEA only goes up to 127 from what I've read (but could be wrong here) whereas the PiM and PiE go up to 140+, so I'd anticipate that the AQE score would be less than the PiE/PiM score.
I'm just working with a tiny set of numbers here so I could be way off the mark.
I know nothing about the GL except that it and the AQE are thought not to be comparable according to what I've read on here.

I think your best strategy is to get your hands on the AQE class average and how your child compared and then look at the SATs class average and how your child compared there and hope that there is a difference which would support your case that your child underperformed.

Technically the AQE is scored out of 145. But they seem to choose a top score each year depending on how they want to massage the figures.

I suspect the only way the AQE correlates with SATs is that if you compare relative results in one, they wil be approximately in line with the relative results in the other. But that's a trivial conclusion.

Also recall that the AQE is averaged to 100, after the age standardization etc. and that the population is skewed towards the more able children.

Third_Time_Mum

My DS got 110 in Maths and 136 in English in P5, and 112 in Maths and 131 in English in the standardised tests in P6. Averaging these out, he came second in the class in P5 and third in P6, yet came twelfth in the class in AQE with a score of 104. He had special circumstances due to a viral illness for a week during the time of the tests and I'm guessing that it was his strong performance in the standardised tests which got him into his first choice school when others who had higher marks did not get in (although they may have missed out because of other criteria). He got Level 5 in both Maths and English at KS2.

Travellinglight, I still think the primary school are obliged to give you a copy of the comparative scores (anonymously) of all the pupils in your son's class. Our school had no problem with this - they said they were legally obliged to provide it, which is how we were able to work out our son's place in the standardised tests relative to his performance at AQE. If we had had to appeal, we would certainly have used this information in making a case. Perhaps you could try asking them again?

leftieM

RikM wrote: »

I suspect the only way the AQE correlates with SATs is that if you compare relative results in one, they wil be approximately in line with the relative results in the other. But that's a trivial conclusion.

That's what I'd be interested to know - is it a trivial conclusion? Does anyone else want to post some numbers to see if there's a pattern?

Thanks Third Time Mum for your numbers which, given the special circumstances, seem to be an exception rather than disproving any link.

travellinglight_2

two highest raw scores = 58 and 49 ...quite a drop which I put down in part to bereavement between these 2 tests = 83.5% = 103 ...