Microsoft Vista from £64.61

sco0ter

psilocybe wrote:

read ya own post, u yourself implied that Vista OEM is more hassle cos Microshaft are clamping down with OEM's.

Why does this make piracy more likely.???... Have you ever explained a post instead of random comments???

The rules have always been there... there is no difference with XP and Vista.. The OEM EULA that I posted was for XP and also applies to VISTA. All it means is if you want to move it about then you will have to abide by the rules instead of breaking them...


I fail to see the logic behind your mentality...

psilocybe

sco0ter wrote:

I fail to see the logic behind your mentality...

You the logic police now are u. You wanna comment like u do, I shall comment like I do. I dont have to explain anything, particularly to u d00d.

tbird3

psilocybe wrote:

You the logic police now are u. You wanna comment like u do, I shall comment like I do. I dont have to explain anything, particularly to u d00d.

You do where this is concerned. Due to the fact I'm a Microsoft Certified Engineer, I would NOT buy this off of Overclockers a) cos I got it for free , and b) reinstall anything, and you won't get your restart number from them -simple as that. They do know whats OEM and what isn't, number wise, and its all tied into the install, so its deep embedded. But do try & explain, if it makes you feel any better, psilocybe. Sco0ters post was very clear and succint to me.

sco0ter

psilocybe wrote:

You the logic police now are u. You wanna comment like u do, I shall comment like I do. I dont have to explain anything, particularly to u d00d.

Nice argument... you dont have to prove anything or back up claims or provide evidence for anything you say... You are therefore providing information that is useless and of no interest to anybody... Last time I heard an argument like that I was dropping my niece of at primary school...

So on you go and have the last word I know you are just dying to.... Im not even going to bother replying to you anymore because its a wate of my time and does nothing but let you push your post count up posting nothing but missinformed rubbish

alias7

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wombler

tbird3 wrote:

You do where this is concerned. Due to the fact I'm a Microsoft Certified Engineer, I would NOT buy this off of Overclockers a) cos I got it for free , and b) reinstall anything, and you won't get your restart number from them -simple as that. They do know whats OEM and what isn't, number wise, and its all tied into the install, so its deep embedded. But do try & explain, if it makes you feel any better, psilocybe. Sco0ters post was very clear and succint to me.

I don't think it is as simple as that though. I have had an OEM copy of XP practically since its release and have never had a problem reactivating it when I've reinstalled Windows or when I've upgraded. In fact (as I assume as a Microsoft Certified Engineer you will know) you can reinstall Windows on the same hardware setup (or a substantially similar one) as many times as you like as the activation feature will view it as the same PC. It's only if you change your hardware enough for the activation to think it's a new (or different) PC that you'll have to phone up - and even the phoning up activation I've done at least twice without any problems or difficult questions at all. Whether this will be exactly the same for Vista or not remains to be seen but Microsoft are after piraters and corporate users - they're not going to be very popular if they penalise users who buy a PC from a small maker in good faith only to find out when they upgrade their processor and RAM a couple of years down the road that they have to buy Vista all over again even though they have a perfectly legitimate copy.

Sco0ter does make some valid points, but there are two seperate issues here: The XP with the upgrade coupons are not a good idea to try and get a cheap copy of Vista because, as noted previously, you need the receipt from an authorised system builder. So unless you know one of those, not a good idea.

However, the OEM copies may very well be a good way to get Vista cheaper, especially if you don't intend to do a major upgrade for a long time. There is a slight risk (and i would suggest only slight) that if you substantially upgrade your hardware then you may not be able to reactivate an OEM copy of Windows and have to shell out again. BUT even then you're STILL saving money, because the OEM version of Vista Premium is £79, whereas the full Retail Version is £211. Even the Retail Upgrade version (from XP or 2000) is £141, so even if you did end up having to buy a second OEM copy two years down the line you're only £17 out of pocket!

On the Overclockers issue, everyone knows that it's ridiculously easy to buy an OEM copy of software without buying a complete new system - just about any of the smaller PC retailers around the country will do it - even if they do make you buy (or give you) an ancient graphics card or something just to keep within the rules. So it's not very fair to scapegoat Overclockers - especially since this is a moneysaving forum and an OEM copy of Windows Vista will be cheaper than paying full whack for an identical retail copy (so long as you know whether you need 32bit or 64bit).

sco0ter

wombler wrote:

On the Overclockers issue, everyone knows that it's ridiculously easy to buy an OEM copy of software without buying a complete new system - just about any of the smaller PC retailers around the country will do it - even if they do make you buy (or give you) an ancient graphics card or something just to keep within the rules. So it's not very fair to scapegoat Overclockers - especially since this is a moneysaving forum and an OEM copy of Windows Vista will be cheaper than paying full whack for an identical retail copy (so long as you know whether you need 32bit or 64bit).

Its not that anybody is scapegoating overclockers... We are just trying to clarify a few points... Microsoft have deemed it illegal to sell OEM without the appropriate NON- PERIPHERAL hardware. This means that just now you might get your first copy of Vista OEM cheap but if you have to buy it with a Hard drive or motherboard and CPU later then it could cost you more.. And if the Microsoft Technet forum is to be believed..... They are changing the Vista OEM license to make it only saleable with a system that must comprise of , A Motherboard,CPU,Hard-drive and case with PSU.. Although this is already written into the XP OEM license it is supposed to be more enforced with vista..

A lot of people dont understand how OEM works and just think its an unboxed duplicate version of the retail and dont know there are a lot more restrictions in regards to activation and Moving of the OS.

tbird3

I'll just say 2 words- Caveat emptor. And don't say you werent warned.

sco0ter

tbird3 wrote:

I'll just say 2 words- Caveat emptor. And don't say you werent warned.

Isnt that why they have an EULA??? Microsoft have covered all bases with the VISTA one... Before it was up to Microsoft to fix the software if it went wrong (XPX not activating...?? you could phone support and get a new key. Vista not activating or activation screwed...??? Give us $??? and well give you a new key)

I think its more Caveat venditor

mrm3

gromituk wrote:

It's a worthless costly update. Try Linux - it is free, much less subject to attack, just as easy to use nowadays and you are not tied into a company's business model.

lol

Due to less driver support it is not as easy to use.

I think you will find at the moment 'Linux' is more subject to attack than 'Vista'.
Perhaps when Vista is released your prophecy may become true.

Even as a Linux fan I cannot defend your rants !