Too many immigrants, not enough jobs or houses.

spadoosh

Percy1983 wrote: »

To put it simply we don't need more people in this country.

With that the world doesn't need more people.

I'll agree with the latter not the former

Its not that i diasagree and think we need more just think theres no harm in taking in immigrants which the country can sustain (or should be able to)

ILW

Blobby8 wrote: »

Whats an immigrant ? I think my lot came over around the battle of Stamford Bridge (Haralds mob)

Was there a housing shortage then?

ILW

spadoosh wrote: »

Lets do some of my numbers. (there rounded and some are a bit historical but i will give you the data so you can scrutinise)

Population = 60,000,000
Net migration = 250,000 (rounded up!) source

= 0.41% increase in population annualy due to immigration

Households in UK (england & wales only) = 22,539,000
Houses built in 2010 = 102,730 source i used table 244

= 0.46% increase in houses in england and wales.

Does this not cover the increase in populationacross the whole of the uk never mind just england and wales?!

The housing shortage has not been caused by immigrants!

So on your very basic figures,

Net immigration over 10 years is around 2.5 million people.

Housing requirement would be around 1 million extra homes required.

How many homes are we short at this moment?

spadoosh

ILW wrote: »

Was there a housing shortage then?

no the immigrants brought tents with them.

spadoosh

I do not know how many homes we are short at this moment sorry

could you not google it?!

i8change

Originally Posted by spadoosh
Lets do some of my numbers.

No need. As the House of Lords Select Committee on Economic Affairs have far more resources and data available to them, let me enlighten you as to their findings.

Rising population density: Impacts on housing and wider welfare issues

235. Given the difficulties of meeting the demands for housing, the Government should assess the impact of immigration on Britain's housing provision (para 164).

236. Immigration is one of many factors contributing to more demand for housing and higher house prices. We note the forecasts that 20 years hence house prices would be over 10% higher, if current rates of net immigration persist, than if there were zero net immigration. Housing matters alone should not dictate immigration policy but they should be an important consideration when assessing the economic impacts of immigration on the resident population in the UK (para 172).

237. Given the evidence that some immigrants have moved into properties suffering from a poor state of repair and/or overcrowding, the Government should assess whether its housing standards are being compromised and whether more inspections are necessary (para175).

238. The present and likely future scale of homelessness among A8 and non-EU immigrants should be thoroughly assessed as a first step to determining the implications of recent immigration for social housing provision (para 180)

239. In addition to its direct impact on the housing market, rising population density creates wider welfare issues and consequences for the living standards of UK residents. These wider welfare issues are potentially significant but in practice difficult to measure and, in part, highly subjective. They do, however, involve economic impacts on, for example, the cost and speed of implementation of public infrastructure projects. It is therefore important to include them in the debate about the economic impacts of immigration. Yet the Government appears not to have considered these issues at all. These wide-ranging impacts should be assessed urgently and the conclusions reflected in public policy as appropriate (para 185).

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/8211.htm#a33

ILW

spadoosh wrote: »

I do not know how many homes we are short at this moment sorry

could you not google it?!

Just googled it, it appears the number is around 750,000

Interested to hear your comments.

spadoosh

Rising population density: Impacts on housing and wider welfare issues
235. Given the difficulties of meeting the demands for housing, the Government should assess the impact of immigration on Britain's housing provision (para 164).
236. Immigration is one of many factors contributing to more demand for housing and higher house prices. We note the forecasts that 20 years hence house prices would be over 10% higher ***(this is GCSE economics, supply shortage = price increase), if current rates of net immigration persist, than if there were zero net immigration. Housing matters alone should not dictate immigration policy but they should be an important consideration when assessing the economic impacts of immigration on the resident population in the UK (para 172).
237. Given the evidence that some immigrants have moved into properties suffering from a poor state of repair and/or overcrowding, the Government should assess whether its housing standards are being compromised and whether more inspections are necessary (para175).
238. The present and likely future scale of homelessness among A8 and non-EU immigrants should be thoroughly assessed as a first step to determining the implications of recent immigration for social housing provision (para 180)
239. In addition to its direct impact on the housing market, rising population density creates wider welfare issues and consequences for the living standards of UK residents. These wider welfare issues are potentially significant but in practice difficult to measure and, in part, highly subjective. They do, however, involve economic impacts on, for example, the cost and speed of implementation of public infrastructure projects. It is therefore important to include them in the debate about the economic impacts of immigration. Yet the Government appears not to have considered these issues at all. These wide-ranging impacts should be assessed urgently and the conclusions reflected in public policy as appropriate (para 185).

*** The housing shortage is not because of immigration!! The housing shortage has been around longer than the media hype of overcrowding and blaiming immigrants.

I really dont understand. Does the housing shortage have nothing to do with failed marriages, the hype of owning your home, the increase in single proffesionals, the fact that families do not live as close as they used to?! How can you take the smallest percentage of people who effect the market and blame them for causing it?! that simply is not the case, no they are not helping the housing shortage but its not their fault and they certainly are beneficial to the economy as a whole

maveli

Percy1983 wrote: »

To put it simply we don't need more people in this country.

With that the world doesn't need more people.

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Contraception/Pages/Contraception-hub.aspx

spadoosh

ILW wrote: »

Just googled it, it appears the number is around 750,000

Interested to hear your comments.

wait for this one.... its good! Build 750,000 homes....... cha ching... solved!

o but wait, the value of houses will plummit causing most people to be in negative equity destabilising large parts of the country or at least restrict a generation of being able to move. So thats not going to happen, we cant stop single people buying a 3 bed house and living on their own, we cant prevent couples from splitting and buying two homes, and of course everyone should own their home so simple, stop all the immigrants then we would be gaining 100,000 homes a year from emigrating and then have the same problem in 10 years time of over supply, reduced prices and negative equity.