Too many immigrants, not enough jobs or houses.

i8change

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2833/Too-Many-Immigrants.aspx

Seven in ten (71%) Britons say there are too many immigrants in the country and just a quarter (27%) believe immigration is good for the economy according to new research from Ipsos MORI.

If we had any choice in the matter London would be in a lot better state, so much for democracy. :mad:

Still it could be worse, we are still behind the Americans when it comes to such chaos:-

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/video-gunmen-open-fire-at-bus-in-philadelphia-20110804


The Impact of Immigration on Housing

The coalition government have now confirmed that, according to the current official
projections, immigration is likely to account for nearly 40% of household formation in the
next 23 years - an average of very nearly 100,000 households a year. We already have a
housing crisis with one and three quarter million families on Local Authorities waiting lis
in England. We also have the worst financial crisis for at least a generation. The case fo
getting immigration into line with emigration - Balanced Migration - has never been
stronger.

http://www.balancedmigration.org/


Yet nothing to gain from it all, except the chaos and rioting of course.

Impacts on the labour market and macro-economy


212. GDP—which measures the total output created by immigrants and residents in the UK—is an irrelevant and misleading measure for the economic impacts of immigration on the resident population. The total size of an economy is not an indicator of prosperity or of residents' living standards (para 49)


213. GDP per capita is a better measure than GDP because it takes account of the fact that immigration increases not only GDP but also population. However, even GDP per capita is an imperfect criterion for measuring the economic impacts of immigration on the resident population because it includes the per capita income of immigrants (para 50).



214. Rather than referring to total GDP when discussing the economic impacts of immigration, the Government should focus on the per capita income (as a measure of the standard of living) of the resident population (para 51).



215. The overall conclusion from existing evidence is that immigration has very small impacts on GDP per capita, whether these impacts are positive or negative. This conclusion is in line with findings of studies of the economic impacts of immigration in other countries including the US. The Government should initiate research in this area, in view of the paucity of evidence for the UK (para 66).

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200708/ldselect/ldeconaf/82/8211.htm#a33

spadoosh

clearly your one of the 7 in 10, go read your daily mail and keep your racist campaigns to your KKK meeting or the Annual EDL conference. And you should also stop trying to blame everyone else for whatever poor predicement your in!

drc

spadoosh wrote: »

clearly your one of the 7 in 10, go read your daily mail and keep your racist campaigns to your KKK meeting or the Annual EDL conference. And you should also stop trying to blame everyone else for whatever poor predicement your in!

Um, how is this racist? The OP hasn't mentioned specific races and plenty of immigrants who come to the UK are white Europeans. I hate it when people use spurious charges of racism to try to crush a debate which many people are genuinely concerned about. Not because they are members of the BNP or any such cliches but because this country simply will not be able to withstand endless population increases and everyone will suffer (even the immigrants). We don't need to import people to do jobs when we already have a huge amount of British unemployed. Call me a racist if you like, I really don't care.

FTBFun

If we had any choice in the matter London would be in a lot better state, so much for democracy.

Name a major Western city of comparable size to London that doesn't have a significant population of immigrants.

nomoreboomandbust

Would you call this man a racist ?

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/lord-glasmans-dose-of-truth-is-probably-too-sour-for-labour

He is just speaking common sense, nothing wrong with that

ILW

spadoosh wrote: »

clearly your one of the 7 in 10, go read your daily mail and keep your racist campaigns to your KKK meeting or the Annual EDL conference. And you should also stop trying to blame everyone else for whatever poor predicement your in!

Why as soon as immigration is mentioned, does some idiot have to start banging on abiut racism. There is no direct connection between the two.

spadoosh

drc wrote: »

Um, how is this racist? The OP hasn't mentioned specific races and plenty of immigrants who come to the UK are white Europeans. I hate it when people use spurious charges of racism to try to crush a debate which many people are genuinely concerned about. Not because they are members of the BNP or any such cliches but because this country simply will not be able to withstand endless population increases and everyone will suffer (even the immigrants). We don't need to import people to do jobs when we already have a huge amount of British unemployed. Call me a racist if you like, I really don't care.

I never said blackist or asianist or even chineseist, i said racist! Racism isnt discremination of someones colour but of their race/creed/sect or group of people who are put as a collective.

Im not trying to crush the debate with crys of racism. I simply believe that the op is massively misinformed of said 'imigrant crisis' as blatantly there isnt one and therefore no need for a debate. He clearly is angry for some reason and feels the need to blame immigrants who have very little voice or consequence on his life and therefore just dont deserve to be hated. The op is drumming up hate (like his fellow mail readers) against the wrong victim. Surely if there is a housing shortage in the UK the problems lie with government and the supply of these houses.

If petrol ran dry tomorrow would you blame the immigrants because theyve also had to fill up their cars?!

StevieJ

nomoreboomandbust wrote: »

Would you call this man a racist ?

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/lord-glasmans-dose-of-truth-is-probably-too-sour-for-labour

He is just speaking common sense, nothing wrong with that

Glassman sounds OK, the journo not so, more like a plonker

nomoreboomandbust

spadoosh wrote: »

I never said blackist or asianist or even chineseist, i said racist! Racism isnt discremination of someones colour but of their race/creed/sect or group of people who are put as a collective.

Im not trying to crush the debate with crys of racism. I simply believe that the op is massively misinformed of said 'imigrant crisis' as blatantly there isnt one and therefore no need for a debate. He clearly is angry for some reason and feels the need to blame immigrants who have very little voice or consequence on his life and therefore just dont deserve to be hated. The op is drumming up hate (like his fellow mail readers) against the wrong victim. Surely if there is a housing shortage in the UK the problems lie with government and the supply of these houses.

If petrol ran dry tomorrow would you blame the immigrants because theyve also had to fill up their cars?!

Stupid analogy, these immigrants would be filling up somewhere else in the world, we can have no control if petrol runs out but we can control who comes into this country. And where do you get this notion of anybody drumming up hate ?

spadoosh

"Seven in ten (71%) Britons say there are too many immigrants in the country and just a quarter (27%) believe immigration is good for the economy according to new research from Ipsos MORI."

So 70% of people believe there are too many immigrants in the country yet 27% of people believe its good for the economy. So of the 30% of people who dont think there are too many immigrants 90% of them believe immigrants are beneficial.

People like yourself are told by newspapers that immigration is a problem and thus believe it is a problem when there are more facts showing that immigrants have been beneficial to the uk and the economy throughout history (and now) and there actually is not a problem at all (you just think there is). Is that not drumming up hate?!

People are simply trying to seek a cause for their problems. And I'm completely certain that the housing shortage and job shortage is not caused by immigrants nor has it been or will it be!

i8change

Originally Posted by spadoosh
I simply believe that the op is massively misinformed of said 'imigrant crisis' as blatantly there isnt one and therefore no need for a debate.

Are these people "massively misinformed?"

http://www.balancedmigration.org/about.php


Is the comprehensive information available here not sourced directly from Government figures?

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/


Are these people all wrong too?

1. 81% of people agree that the Government should substantially reduce immigration levels to Britain.
2. 60% of Asians believe that there are too many immigrants in Britain.
3. 77% agree that you cannot criticise the amount of immigration, or individual immigrants, without being labelled a racist.
4. 85% agree that immigration is putting too much pressure on public services.
5. 45% of the Black respondents felt that there was too much immigration into Britain.
6. 76% of people agree that Britain is overcrowded.
7. 62% of people think that Britain will soon lose its unique identity if immigration continues as it is.
8. 76% think that there is, a fair amount (52%) or a great deal (24%), of tension between races and nationalities.

1. YouGov, November 2007
2. BBC Asian Network poll April 2005
3. Populus for the BBC March 2008
4. YouGov, November 2007
5. MORI, January 2007, cited in “Our Shared Future”, Commission on Integration and Cohesion, 14 June 2007, para. 2.42
6. YouGov, January 2007
7. ORB, November 2007
8. MORI Poll for BBC April 2008

Is the combined 'world view' and life experiences of such a massive proportion of the population (obtained over many years and from many sources) worthless and inaccurate compared to those of a minority like yourself?

If you think so, I think you may be deluding yourself.