Too many immigrants, not enough jobs or houses.

spadoosh

Youve literally just ticked every box that concludes this is hate mongoring.

Every single source you have given im sure is based on government figures, yet have you not considered that these sources will only pick out what they want and manipulate the numbers to please their means?!

You have been PR'd to f**k.

Hitler did it the late 1930's its called PROPOGANDA!!

ILW

spadoosh wrote: »

Youve literally just ticked every box that concludes this is hate mongoring.

Every single source you have given im sure is based on government figures, yet have you not considered that these sources will only pick out what they want and manipulate the numbers to please their means?!

You have been PR'd to f**k.

Hitler did it the late 1930's its called PROPOGANDA!!

You have quoted no figures at all to back up anything you have said.

dtsazza

i8change wrote: »

Are these people all wrong too?

Yes - and that's not unusual for the public as a whole.

The most notable result from just about any survey is that the public do not as a whole have a consistent, holistic, informed view on society and politics.

spadoosh

O and can i higlight this point aswell.

"3. 77% agree that you cannot criticise the amount of immigration, or individual immigrants, without being labelled a racist."

So from your own comments this is the accepcted view (seen as more of the population agree) therefore you are racist!!


See how i did that...... took your information and ammended it to my own needs.... blam you didnt even see it coming!

spadoosh

ILW wrote: »

You have quoted no figures at all to back up anything you have said.

What figures do you want?!

I forgot figures mean fact

ILW

spadoosh wrote: »

What figures do you want?!

I forgot figures mean fact

OK

What proportion of the housing shortage is attributable to population growth?

What proportion of population growth is attribtable to immigration?

i8change

Originally Posted by spadoosh
have you not considered that these sources will only pick out what they want and manipulate the numbers to please their means?

Looking names and status of those in the list and in answer to that question, I consider it would be ridiculous to think " they want and manipulate the numbers to please their means" and can only think they see a real problem and have genuine concerns.

If you yourself think the likes of Frank Field, Bill Jordon, Lord Ahmed etc. are pleasing "their means" with regard to immigration, I again think you are deluding yourself or do not know what these people are about.

We believe that immigration should be brought down to the level of emigration.

The Co-Chairmen of the Cross-Party Group on Balanced Migration are Frank Field MP (Labour) and Nicholas Soames MP (Conservative).
The Group�s Vice-Chairmen are Lord (Bill) Jordan CBE (former President of the Amalgamated Engineering and Electrical Union) and Daniel Kawczynski MP (Conservative).
Other members include:
House of Commons

Peter Bottomley (Conservative), Graham Brady (Conservative), Julian Brazier (Conservative), Christopher Chope (Conservative), Ian Davidson (Labour), Phillip Dunne (Conservative), Tobias Ellwood (Conservative), Roger Godsiff (Labour), Tom Harris (Labour), Gordon Henderson (Conservative), Philip Hollobone (Conservative), Tristram Hunt (Labour), Eleanor Laing (Conservative), Peter Lilley (Conservative), Jonathan Lord (Conservative), John Mann (Labour), Richard Ottaway (Conservative), Ian Paisley (Democratic Unionist Party), Graham Stringer (Labour), Sammy Wilson (DUP).
House of Lords
Lord Ahmed (Crossbencher), Lord Ancram (Conservative), Lord Anderson (Labour), Baroness Boothroyd (Crossbencher), Lord Carey (Crossbencher) Baroness Cox (Crossbencher), Earl Ferrers (Conservative), Lord Howard (Conservative), Lord Inge (Crossbencher), Lord Lamont (Conservative), Lord Leach (Conservative), Lord Moran (Crossbencher), Lord Ramsbotham (Crossbencher), Lord Skidelsky (Crossbencher), Lord Vinson (Conservative), Lord Wakeham (Conservative).
Outside Parliament
Mr Hazhir Teimourian, Mr Jonathon Porritt, Mr Charles Moore.

http://www.balancedmigration.org/about.php

spadoosh

ILW wrote: »

OK

What proportion of the housing shortage is attributable to population growth? spadoosh answer: 0% as i said earlier its not the growth thats the problem its the lack of supply!

What proportion of population growth is attribtable to immigration? 23% according to this source

Lets do some of my numbers. (there rounded and some are a bit historical but i will give you the data so you can scrutinise)

Population = 60,000,000
Net migration = 250,000 (rounded up!) source

= 0.41% increase in population annualy due to immigration

Households in UK (england & wales only) = 22,539,000
Houses built in 2010 = 102,730 source i used table 244

= 0.46% increase in houses in england and wales.

Does this not cover the increase in populationacross the whole of the uk never mind just england and wales?!

The housing shortage has not been caused by immigrants!

Blobby8_2

Whats an immigrant ? I think my lot came over around the battle of Stamford Bridge (Haralds mob)

Percy1983

To put it simply we don't need more people in this country.

With that the world doesn't need more people.