General discussion for (Tottenham) riots

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StevieJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

Hard to believe with all the unrest around London that Tottenham they have just sold their Italian striker "Grabbatelli" to Chelsea for an undisclosed fee............;)

Bit late with that one, according to NDG they Spurs only bought him today

STing

Graham_Devon wrote: »

As I asked previously, howcome we differ so much from other countries in this respect? Howcome in other countries where benefits are not available for pretty much everything, they haven't got a significatn amount of the nation all going round commiting crime each day?

I think this is a poorly thought out response to questions to be honest. Theres got to be more to it than just "if we don't give them money, they will rob us....if we don't give them even more money, they will rob us anyway".

Go to some other cities like Dubai, where you see real poverty all around you. They don't steal at every opportunity (apart from off tourists who can't figure out the exchange rate...i.e., moi!)

I know the answer to this one. Because these countries have a bigger stick.

leveller2911

StevieJ wrote: »

Bit late with that one, according to NDG they Spurs only bought him today

B*gger, how about knockatelliov the well respected Russian defender?

I'm trying here Stevie....:D I'll get me coat..................

STing

Should looters come back to Tottenham, Spurs fans are pleading that they take Jermaine Jenas.

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CCTV shows a 6 foot 6 inch plank smashing through a shop window in Tottenham. Luckily Peter Crouch is recovering well.

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The full joke edition. For the lulz...

The Apple store has just been looted, Police are said to be looking for iWitnesses
Should looters come back to Tottenham, Spurs fans are pleading that they take Jermaine Jenas
Have you heard the news? Sony in Enfield are having a fire sale!
A new riot tracking website has been launched, just enter your postcode in www.JDsports.co.uk/store-finder

Dark figures in hoods and masks taking over London – Harry Potter failed, Voldermort is back!
Just got my free Laptop from Currys. Only available in the Tottenham branch though.
CCTV shows a 6 foot 6 inch plank smashing through a shop window in Tottenham. Luckily Peter Crouch is recovering well.

People staying home not going to work in parts of London. They said it’s nice to have an unscheduled holiday like on the strip… the Gaza Strip.
Channel 5 are commissioning a new TV show in the running theme of dangerous jobs. Deadliest Catch: JD Sports Security Guards.
BT saw a spike in demand for broadband in the North London area over the past 2 days. Not people wanting to know the news, just all the looters connecting their new laptops.
A collective in Tottenham have put together a bid for Carlos Tevez. Reports state they are offering 200 LCD TVs, 15 rolls of carpet, 30 Nike Tracksuits and 95 pairs of Reebok classics
There was a lull in the riots at around 9am to midday. It appears they’ve all gone to sign on.
I put a £10 bet on Tottenham to win the EPL this year. Not entirely sure who they are, but the news ticker tells me they’re on fire!
News reports in London branded the rioting an “abomination”, Birmingham branded it “upsetting and soul destroying” and Liverpool simply called it Monday.
After the rioters had set up all their looted brand new Sony home entertainment system, they were distraught that they forgot to rob a set of 3D glasses too.
Had trouble picking out the perfect shoes – then I got arrested.
If only shop owners hung signs in the window saying “vacancy, no skills required” – a job is enough to scare most of these little !!!!!!!s away
Petrol bombs have been thrown during the riots. Fortunately these won’t last long since they simply can’t afford to burn it!
It isn’t all bad news in London. Shares in Autoglass just shot up 300%
What’s rectangular, black and useless? The thousand laptops the stupid rioters stole, but haven’t figured out how to turn on
Heading to London on holiday soon. It’ll be a riot

pqrdef

vivatifosi wrote: »

Interesting article by Andrew Gilligan who was mugged during riots:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8692429/London-riots-Bleeding-I-called-999.-A-tired-man-told-me-to-go-home.html

So it's not people, it's criminals. Well yes, that's the word for people who break the law. But then we still have to ask why there are so many criminals and what we're going to do about it.

The hardening of "liberal" opinion is par for the course. There are plenty of people willing to patronise the Third World, so long as it knows its place and is content to stay Third. They get very uncomfortable if you suggest that the Third World doesn't want to be the Third World at all.

There's always been an underclass. The trick is to manage it, to keep the lid on it. Bread and circuses, in whatever guise. I expect there were rich Romans going round saying they should stop the bread and circuses, they were costing too much. Our clueless government has chosen to declare war on the underclass during a recession. One way or another, it won't save money.

But we ain't seen nothing compared to the riots the Americans are lining up. Thousands will die.

fc123

Kennyboy66 wrote: »

I can think of a fair few times when there is an excuse.

Cable Street 1936
Riots 1981

even the poll tax riots in 1990.

These riots do seem incomprehensible however, it does just seem an excuse for people to go on the rob. In Liverpool (pretty minor disturbance really) - it has seemed like a mixture of 'mischief' night (Halloween) and a bit of football style violence.

I meant the looting /robbing...not the protesting.

vivatifosi wrote: »

I'd lay good money on the young adults and kids behind this being actually very bright (doesn't stop them being stupid and lacking any common sense mind you).

The assumption that all are thick is not true. OH knew someone from late teens who is now inside doing a long stretch for armed robbery. The crimes just got bigger and bigger as he got older and more experienced and daring.
His mother worked long hours in a low paid job and di her best, no dad but he didn't live in a terrible place plus he got an assisted place in a local private school. Did well academically but he just couldn't help himself. Nicking stuff , burglary and so on plus he always had a get rich quick scheme on the go.

He was one of those people you bump into every now and again and he always had a new business idea that was going to make him a millionaire...unfortunately, none worked out and, I am unclear of the finer details but the crime he is inside for was a very serious one.

If he was 17 now, he would've been involved with the group rioting/looting now just for the buzz of it, to get free stuff and so on.

iB1 wrote: »

I'm slightly worried that if the police feel too impotent to deal with the arson and looting then we will get some serious tit-for-tat violence going on.

If the Turkish men who protected their shops actually caught and beat/killed some black teenagers, we'd get some serious race riots on our hands. The general public seem to be angry with the police for not doing enough, while those who are rioting are angry about the police sticking their noses in, in the first place. I'm not sure where the happy medium is.

That will be the next big problem as locally to me as people are sorting out their own solutions from what I have heard.
Good post too (though I didn't quote all of it) and I can't think of a solution either.
OH is just p'ed off with it and our own family solution is to carry on at the grindstone and move away as soon as is practical. That would be after 40 years living in this area ....including a heavenly 5 years not living here so we do have a lifestyle comparison.

pqrdef

fc123 wrote: »

That will be the next big problem as locally to me as people are sorting out their own solutions from what I have heard.

We could just adopt Sharia and have done with it. Not that Islam prevents rioting, but looters can't do much more looting with their hands chopped off. Reverting to the Middle Ages is always an option. Took us centuries to get away from that, and we thought it was enlightenment and progress.