General discussion for (Tottenham) riots

Kennyboy66

The good news is that it's going to lash down in the North West from late afternoon.

The best riot prevention ever - heavy rain.

Sirdan

141
Offensive weapons.
1)Any person who manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire, or lends or gives to any other person, a weapon to which this section applies shall be guilty of an offence and liable .

Yes and that applies to all weapons in the Act and subsequent orders ..which is ALL batons..not just telescopic ..so the your point is ?

adouglasmhor

Sirdan wrote: »

Me_properly wrote: »

That's if in a public place, telescopic batons are illegal even in your own house and to buy, make, manufacture or sell except to legal dealers and police forces.

So which law prohibits simple possession of the telscopic baton in your home ..not CJA 88 S141 it seems ???

So which law prohibits simple possession of the telscopic baton in your home ..not CJA 88 S141 it seems ???

Funnily enough I provided a link read it or stop posting on the subject. I fixed your quote as well, can't quote but feels up to debating on law, tsssk.

StevieJ

Some serious Manchester video coverage out there, one shows the guy setting Selfridges alight (full facial id), a couple more were like scenes from Robocop, no prisoners taken.

adouglasmhor

Sirdan wrote: »

Yes and that applies to all weapons in the Act and subsequent orders ..which is ALL batons..not just telescopic ..so the your point is ?

I think everyone can see what your point is. None at all.

Sirdan

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Funnily enough I provided a link read it or stop posting on the subject. I fixed your quote as well, can't quote but feels up to debating on law, tsssk.

I don't need to read C2-26A thanks I know it inside out..but could you please answer the question as I am genuinely confused ..which piece of legislation distinguishes between the telescopic baton and other batons ...they are all on the CJA 88 orders and S141 applies to them all.

Also why are you using Customs guidance when the issue at hand is possession at home or in public, not importation ?

Sirdan

adouglasmhor wrote: »

I think everyone can see what your point is. None at all.

Are you avoiding the question now then ???

vivatifosi

StevieJ wrote: »

Some serious Manchester video coverage out there, one shows the guy setting Selfridges alight (full facial id), a couple more were like scenes from Robocop, no prisoners taken.

I particularly want to see him caught. Especially if its a dress by one of the regular posters hereabouts.

adouglasmhor

Sirdan wrote: »

Are you avoiding the question now then ???

If you know it inside out you will see where it is relevant. 2.2 CJA 1988 (Offensive weapons orders) 1988, 2002 and 2004

2.2 The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Orders 1988, 2002 and 2004 prohibit the possession and importation of:
• a knuckleduster: a band of metal or other hard material worn on one or more fingers, and designed to cause injury and any weapon incorporating a knuckleduster;
• a swordstick: a hollow walking stick or cane containing a blade which may be used as a sword;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “handclaw”, being a band of metal or other hard material from which a number of sharp spikes protrude, worn around the hand;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “belt buckle knife”, being a buckle which incorporates or conceals a knife;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “push dagger”, being a knife with a handle that fits within a clenched fist and a blade that protrudes between two fingers;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “hollow Kubota”, being a cylindrical container holding a number of sharp spikes;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “foot claw”, being a bar of metal or other hard material from which a number of sharp spikes protrude, worn strapped to the foot;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “shuriken”, “shaken” or “death star”, being a hard non-flexible plate having three or more sharp radiating points, designed to be thrown;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “balisong” or “butterfly knife”, being a blade enclosed by a handle which is designed to split down the middle, without the operation of a spring or other mechanical means, to reveal the blade;
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C2-26 Offensive Weapons
• the weapon sometimes known as a “telescopic truncheon”, being a truncheon designed to extend automatically or by hand pressure applied to a button spring or other device attached to its handle;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “blowpipe” or “blow gun”, being a hollow tube through which darts or hard pellets are propelled by the use of breath;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “kusari gama”, being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one end to a sickle;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “kyoketsu shoge”, being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at one end to a hooked knife;
• the weapon sometimes known as a “manrikigusari” or “kusari”, being a length of rope, cord, wire or chain fastened at each end to a hard weight or hand grip;
• a disguised knife, that is any knife which has a concealed blade or concealed sharp point and is designed to appear to be an everyday object of a kind commonly carried on the person or in a handbag, briefcase, or other hand luggage (such as a comb, brush, writing instrument, cigarette lighter, key, lipstick or telephone);
• a stealth knife, that is a knife or spike, which has a blade, or sharp point, made from a material that is not readily detectable by apparatus used for detecting metal and which is not designed for domestic use or for use in the processing, preparation or consumption of food or as a toy;
• a straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheon (sometimes known as a baton);
• a sword with a curved blade of 50cms or over in length; the length of the blade shall be the straight line distance from the top of the handle to the tip of the blade.

OK fair one I see where I went wrong - missed that bit

I used customs legislation because that was the easiest place to access it.

Sirdan

adouglasmhor wrote: »

If you know it inside out you will see where it is relevant. 2.2 CJA 1988 (Offensive weapons orders) 1988, 2002 and 2004


OK fair one I see where I went wrong - missed that bit

I used customs legislation because that was the easiest place to access it.

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Glad you have it worked out now ..by a remarkable chance you picked the wrong person to quote Customs regs at..but you weren't to know

Just for clarity the police tend to use friction-lock as opposed to telescopic (as defined above),.... and so do I !