NHS Dentistry Petition

kenshaz

I urge you not to allow one individual ,who has gained your trust influence your decision and assist those who have brought about the destruction of dental care in the UK over the last decade.

kenshaz

My eyes are fully open and I see ,children and adults unable to gain access to dental care,brought about by an uncaring profession ,would we accept and allow doctors to take the same steps

kenshaz

They are against the contract because it prevents them making as much money.

Toothsmith

kenshaz wrote:

They are trained for the benefit of the NHS not the private sector

I was trained to be of benefit to patients Kenshaz, not a payment system.

kenshaz

Toothsmith wrote:

I was trained to be of benefit to patients Kenshaz, not a payment system.

Agreed,will you reveal the annual salary that an NHS dentist would expect to receive under the new contract in comparison to the previous one?
What would the average income be for a dentist under the private sector.?
Readers of this thread please do not believe that adding your name to this petition will give you more NHS dentists,I have read through the posts and that appears to be the mis-conception.
Do you subscibe to private medical treatment?

kenshaz

How can a dentist getting the same credit for doing one filling as for doing a whole mouth rebuild with multiple fillings and root fillings possibly make any dentist want to do any NHS work other than the simplest treatment they can get away with?

My response to the above post.

Because across the spectrum of patients it is a win situation ,because he/she will be performing more single fillings,balanced against more complex work.

The government have looked at your statistics and returns.

I and the majority of people in this country believe in a NHS,I believe that health care is a fundamental right and we should not have those rights eroded by those with selfish intentions.

KDH_2

The argument about dentists being trained by the NHS and then being made to work in the NHS is one often banded about by some ill-informed Labour MP's.

Mrs Blair was trained by the state to become a barrister -she is NOT compelled to do Legal aid work ......indeed I suspect she does very little, if any, as the fees are so poor!

An engineering graduate for example isn't required to work for the state even if the state paid for his degree course.


Also more recent headlines that may want you to sign the petition:-

http://shrunklink.com?rut

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http://shrunklink.com?ruv

http://shrunklink.com?ruw

and another concerning the lack of emergency 24hr cover

http://shrunklink.com?rux

Toothsmith

Did you read THIS link that I posted a couple of days ago Kenshaz?

Yesterday, you had no idea how dentists were educated, or how it was paid for.

Today, despite your lack of understanding of the system, you continue to enrich us all with your opinions on where it is all going wrong.

You seem facinated with my income, and are under the impression that I admitted that private dentists earn more than NHS ones, whereas I did no such thing.

I said that even if private dentists did earn more, that they would then pay more tax, and repay training costs quicker than if they were National Health. In fact, I went on to say, Inland Revenue figures show that private dentists earn no more than NHS ones, which is why politicians no longer use that argument when berating us.

I run a business, that over the 12 years I have owned it (Yes owned it - my surgery was bought by me with my money borrowed against my house) I have invested the best part of half a million pounds in.

When I was NHS, I employed 2 people. I now employ 7. 3 of those I have trained at my expense (as they were too old to qualify for state training schemes) to a nationally certified standard. 2 of my employees are the major breadwinner in their families.

So, the Gross income of my practice has indeed tripled. The expenses have also tripled and so the nett has stayed the same. How much is that? Probably similar to any other small business owner employing 7 people and who has invested half a million pounds in his business.

How I am supposed to do any of this if I was giving away free treatment maybe you could enlighten me? But I'm afraid I was not born into wealth, and so in order to ensure the employment of my staff, and to repay my bank loans, and to keep my equipment running, and to comply with all the regulations involved, and to attend courses to keep myself abrest of current practices, and to fund my retirement, and to buy materials, and to keep a roof over my families head, and to feed them......... I HAVE to earn money.

You may believe in the NHS until you're blue in the face. Unless politicians share your belief, and are actually prepared to put taxpayers money into it, along with a system that works for patients AND dentists, you may as well believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden.

kenshaz

KDH wrote:

The argument about dentists being trained by the NHS and then being made to work in the NHS is one often banded about by some ill-informed Labour MP's.

Mrs Blair was trained by the state to become a barrister -she is NOT compelled to do Legal aid work ......indeed I suspect she does very little, if any, as the fees are so poor!

An engineering graduate for example isn't required to work for the state even if the state paid for his degree course.


Also more recent headlines that may want you to sign the petition:-

http://shrunklink.com?rut

http://shrunklink.com?ruu

http://shrunklink.com?ruv

http://shrunklink.com?ruw

and another concerning the lack of emergency 24hr cover

http://shrunklink.com?rux

We are talking about the fundamental right to health care and the present situation whereby a state trained dentist can decide to opt out.

If we had a shortage of barristers ,well yes legislation would need to be enacted.

One option would be incentives for foreign dentists,and prohibitive legislation for those who do not take on NHS patients.

Toothsmith

So dentists - who have staff and bills to pay, - must be FORCED to still work for the NHS, even when the NHS can't pay them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if we refuse?

Lock us all up in camps where we only get fed if we do work? Hold our children hostage?

You are decending into the realms of complete b*llocks now Kenshaz.

READ THE LINKS. Even the Daily Mail isn't blaming dentists anymore!